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Again, welcome! Marilynbgardner49 10:36, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
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Yes, your page does get read
Your thought process is good. Also, there is help here on the wiki to work on making each word you would like to define, link to another page that you would it to go to. I just wanted to let you know, you are not alone here on the Research Wiki. Linda R Chappell 02:52, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
You may want to check out some HTML / Wikitext programming lessons here on the Wiki. Start with Lesson One and the other lessons will link from there. One of those lessons includes a sortable (alphabetical) table. As for who might work on a particular page from time to time... you can view that under the history tab - found at the top of every wiki page. Linda R Chappell 22:11, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi Jim, I've been watching your page - now pages, with your new sandbox page. Interesting stuff. I thought I'd let you know that I passed your two pages on to Charles, who wrote our HTML/Wikitext lessons. I've also passed "you" onto the LDS church employee over our Wiki. Each is working in their own sphere to upgrade how our current site looks and functions. Swapping between HTML and wikitext can be challenging. We are also using an older version of wikimedia that will be updated within the next few months - and how that affects all these pages and their formats is still the unknown for us out in the field. As to your query about different size tables side by side - it is possible - go thru the HTML lessons and some will talk about positioning. Take care and keep up the good work. Linda R Chappell 16:02, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Just wanted to say "Kudos". Nice work. If you would like to change the UTC to your time zone, go to Preferences in the right sidebar. As for foreign languages, FamilySearch does have other languages. If they interact or stand-alone ... that is a question for someone that knows more than I do. I can say that some of them start here in the English before being moved. Having sign language on the wiki is an interesting concept. Very inspired. Linda R Chappell 19:03, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Let me add - when two individuals edit the page at the same time ... or attempt to, the first one in "wins". And the latter one gets a message something like "this edit will affect a more recent edit if you continue". You may be interested in our contributors meeting - held every Thursday at 1:00 pm Mountain time. They last an hour. The meeting number is 990 733 804 https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/FamilySearch_Wiki_Contributors_Meeting. This is not the technical meeting, but a place that we discuss how pages might look and change. It's not a large group - but it would be nice to introduce yourself to the rest of us.
It was nice to have you at the meeting(s) today. Glad you made the second one even if I did not. You mentioned on your user page about section command. I don't know if what you mean is what -on Wiki pages -I speak of as 'table of contents'. When a page has at least four headings, a table of contents will appear. It will also create "sections" that can be individually edited. You may want to check out the page Help:Wikitext Cheatsheet. The TOC does not have to be at the top of the page if you don't want it there- I just know it would give you the sections that you might be looking for. Linda R Chappell 04:08, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
- The "section" I was talking about has something to do with the transclusion function wherein one would set a "section begin (name)" and end with a "section end" command. Thereafter that particular "name" can be called up and specifically transcluded to another page without transcluding the whole page. I am currently having trouble with the onlyinclude command in that the Wikipedia example doesn't want to work for some reason. The section command is supposed to be able to replace the onlyinclude function but I don't think one can use the headings to designate a section that can be used outside the current page. I could be wrong. See you next Thursday (if I can get the demo ready for Giuseppe). Luccagenes 05:18, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Jim, I am noticing that when there are 3-4 of your edits to patrol, my computer is freezing up on Firefox. At first I didn't make the connection and frankly, I'm not technologically advanced enough to know if it a problem on my end or is caused by the edits. Do you know? myra
- So this is what shouting from Washington state sounds like. I really do not know what would be going on. Is it still happening in the last half hour. Over an hour ago I was trying to repeat the initial test that blanked out my page and it blanked it out several times. Now I am adding rows to the table more slowly but it is getting bigger now. I cannot imagine why that would affect your patrolling or your Firefox. For the past couple weeks I have noticed that if I have more that 5 tabs open in Firefox that the editor gets really sluggish and I have to restart Firefox but those were with normal pages. I do not know if this large page is causing problems with the server. If you want me to stop or if you know someone I should contact in support let me know ... I will happily comply. Jim. Luccagenes 20:49, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Well, poor you. You just happened to catch me, the most computer illiterate on the staff, but I can explain what it was doing. Others would probably know more. Incidentally my email address is: email@example.com if you need to reach me by that. I just tried again after I patrolled all of the current edits that were present. I left yours until last. When I opened a tab on yours (the first of maybe 5-6 of them) that little circle that lets me know that the computer is working on it, just kept going and going and going, like it had before. Then the tab disappeared as before and it came up with a message that Firefox wasn't responding. I couldn't get anything going after that no matter what I clicked and it took me a couple of clicks to raise that message again. Then I just clicked the part that said: close the program. Jim, I'm just not computer savvy enough to know if it means that the scroll program is at fault or something else, but I'm obsessive compulsive about the patrolling, so I just happen to be there part of every day. I wish there was a way to let you see it and know what I was talking about, but it's in the moderator rights to be able to patrol. Saturdays are a slower day but there are still edits coming in at a slower rate but all that is there now are those last ones you did. Wish I knew more but I think you are much more computer literate than I am and can maybe figure it out? myra
- The only thing I can think of is for you to see if the same thing happens with IE (Internet Explorer) if you have it on your computer. This would determine if it is Firefox or not because like I said I have been experiencing similar issues with Firefox although I never received the "not responding" message. My computer is getting kind of old and I have a pretty slow DSL line from the phone company and my guess is that the large file is taking too long to load up so then Firefox gets confused and stops responding. If you were able to get your computer to respond to the mouse at some point then it just looks like a frozen computer (which is what mine does sometime too so it just might be FireFox). If you can try the IE browser to access that page then we will know where to look next. Luccagenes 23:26, 29 March 2014
I like your new page very much Jim. It is very nice and so well put together. Myra Harris 18:51, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks Myra, it took a lot longer than I expected (I thought this was supposed to be easy). Anyway, I think it is almost done. Linda suggested moving the table to another page, which I have just done, and I only have a minor issue with future editing of the table that has to be fixed (the stupid "onlyinclude" does not let one see or access the table with the richeditor). Your input earlier helped see this article through to its conclusion, Thanks again. Luccagenes 19:14, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
July 15 2014
Hi, Jim, I'm pretty late reading this, but am going to watch your page now. VERY interesting. Several items of interest to me. You are brilliant, methodical.
- MN Cities comment: we created an Arkansas Towns and Communities page, but I think what you have in mind will be far more helpful to users. Would really like to better understand your way of accessing and displaying the info.
- Bullet Hub images for Wilma's pages. The interest and appreciation is there. Caleb and I came up with 5 items to put on the FamilySearch Wiki:Help wanted on the Arkansas pages: Overview, Make Suggestions, Things You Can Do, Meet and Talk, and Other Wiki Projects.
- Unfortunately, the page is very messed up because of the fckeditor turning it into strange html. It's the second time it happened in as many days, so I'm not really interested in fixing it manually again. But when it is restored (if ever), I'd really like your advice if not your help. If we get these pages right, they may be key to giving ideas to contributors.
- Your sortable summary of the Categories: Are you familiar with Excel formulae? Macros? I'd love to collaborate with you on this as well. My plan is to write a little macro to pull out the topics and localities (country level, then level 2 (state, province, shire, etc.). That should help some.
All that said, it seems my time on the wiki is too limited and I have the need to keep others busy as well. So although my interest is high, I'm too often a weak, but appreciative link. AdkinsWH 04:13, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Wilma, Your Help wanted page can be fixed you going into the history and reverting to an earlier version. The Revision as of 18:43, August 26, 2014 looks to be clean but you will lose any changes made since then. I would have done it but I did not know if the lost info would be a problem or not. Just go into the history page and select the time and date above then select the "edit" link for that particular day. This will bring up the code which you can then save. As mentioned you will get a warning about the possible loss of data. The way to prevent this from happening again is to disable the Richeditor before saving anything as this is a known issue which they will not fix. You can also set your preferences to not use the RichEditor at all (at least until VisualEditor is available).
- As far as Excel is concerned I am afraid I have only made macros a couple times in the past and that was over 10 years ago. I had tried to add a topics column to the categories spreadsheet (see sheet #1 in the Google spreadsheet) but no one assisted and it fell to the wayside due to lack of interest. By the way, if you, Charles, and Sandra ever get a working spreadsheet up on Google Drive for your joint effort to tackle the category issues I would definitely be interested in having access to it.
- Thank you for fixing the Help Wanted Page for Arkansas, Jim. Both Joy and I have disabled the rich editor. I'll have her work on it now that you have made it possible.
- Concerning the Arkansas list, I see that the list of cities is very long like MN. I will give it some thought.Luccagenes 06:26, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Image map editor
I have been creating clickable maps for some time and trying to learn the new "map editor" that you have given directions to......I can't get the link name to go between the [[|]] when the coordinates are finished. Example: Href: Andrews County, Texas Alt: Andrews County poly 163 87 159 141 270 147 273 81 [[|]] I need and would appreciate your assistance. joy 13:36, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- Just looking at it quickly, I am assuming you entered the link and alt info after the coordinates were already established. In this case the only way I could get it to work is to click on the word "code" around the box containing the wikitext code. This will close the box. Click on it again to open the box and it should insert the link info and alt info. Let me know if this worked so I can update the instructions. I am heading out the door right now so I will check back in in a few hours. Luccagenes 14:10, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Opening and closing the "code" box did not do the trick.....I filled in the Href and the Alt box before I entered the coordinates. Clicked on and off the "code" ....didn't do anything. Thank you for your efforts.
- Joy, I was eventually able to recreate the problem you encountered (it has something to do with the check box for the "bounding box". When you first made your polygon was there a square box around it? When this happened to me the link and alt info would not go into the code even after I unchecked the box. By clicking the "bounding box" on and off again the link and alt info suddenly went into the code. At this point I am not sure that is the only thing that I did to correct it so try that and let me know the results. Luccagenes 18:33, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
- Yammer Response: My guess is this is just some type of fluke that possibly occurs if the editor is left open in a tab for an excessive amount of time. I did nothing special before it also happened to me except that I had repeatedly gone back to the editor that was already open in a tab and it had kept some information stored from the last use. I have not seen this issue before and typically I open the editor from scratch each time I use it but this time I did not. Let me know if the fix works and how often this happens to you. It might just be a problem that occurs if the editor is not refreshed completely (my best guess at this time).Luccagenes 19:08, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
- Yammer Response: Joy, further testing indicates that if the browser is closed and reopened with the image map editor on, the image itself and previous image markers (polygons) are lost but the coding may remain until the image is reloaded again. This shutdown interruption and the partial reloading after refreshing the page is when the problem happened to me. It was not the “bounding box” itself which corrected the issue but rather the next operation (any operation) which will trigger the previous entry and subsequently add the info to the coding. Simply erasing and retyping the Href and Alt info into the boxes has added that new text to the code. As you mentioned, when the problem happened to me, clicking the word “code” off and on has no effect but it is looking more and more like it may be a programming issue that occurs if the program is interrupted by a browser shutdown or a tab refresh wherein not everything is reloaded. It may also be associated more with the polygon creation than with the rectangles and circles as I could not recreate the problem with the rectangles (the polygons required a different programming technique to create them that is different from the other two).
- Since I could not locate a “refresh the editor” button the alternatives are to close the tab and re-launch the editor for each new session OR you could select the “online editor” link (near the top of the left sidebar) which will reload the program requiring you to re-select the “output” to “Wiki imagemap” and you will have to reload the image location. A third alternative is to just copy the code “as is” and make the Href and Alt corrections in the wiki before saving the template.
- Try restarting the editor from scratch each time a new image map is initiated or after the browser is shutdown or the page is refreshed. Let me know if this issue continues to occur.
Luccagenes 18:44, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Tables you posted to contributors agenda
Hi, Jim, Sorry I did not see your post to the agenda before or during the meeting. These will be excellent discussion points for next meeting.
Thanks, AdkinsWH 04:16, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Belated Welcome and Thanks
Hi Jim ... I have been missing from the Contributor Meeting for a few months, so am a bit late in this welcome. It was exciting to return to the meeting and find someone new who obviously shares our enthusiasm for making the wiki the best it can be. Thank you so much for jumping in and for all of your great ideas.
Please feel free to call on me if I can ever be of help. I'm a wiki old-timer, so occasionally I happen upon the answer to a question!!
Thank you again for all you are doing for the wiki.
Community Council Chair
Evancol 17:22, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Jane, I have heard you at a couple of the meetings and have seen your posts on Yammer, it’s good to meet you. Since my experience is extremely limited over the past few months I will look forward to contacting you as the needs arise. Thanks, Jim. Luccagenes 15:17, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
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