
Beginning July 15, 2013, PAF will be retired and will no longer be available for download or support. For full details and for information on alternative products, please visit http://familysearch.org/PAF.
A Great New Opportunity
For the last several years, FamilySearch has focused on building relationships with partner organizations to deliver better overall services to the market. This has facilitated better patron experiences with FamilySearch and the partner products. The past several years have seen Ancestral Quest, Legacy Family Tree, and RootsMagic introduced as significantly better alternatives to PAF. These products also all have free versions.
FamilySearch recently introduced the Family Tree to all users in multiple languages. Family Tree provides the capability for patrons to manage and share their family history information online at FamilySearch.org. Each of the products listed above support synchronization with the Family Tree.
This change further underscores the commitment from FamilySearch to form strong partner relationships that will enable:
- More and better conclusions about family information.
- Best in class technology with many more choices.
- Collaborative efforts that allow other organizations to build on and enhance FamilySearch products.
- More records to be indexed and published.
- Record availability from a variety of sites and products.
History of PAF
PAF was originally released in the spring of 1984 and has been a popular genealogy database application ever since, with over 3.2 million copies distributed. The current version of PAF is based largely on code provided by Incline Software (Ancestral Quest). While it has remained available to download, PAF has not been updated since 2002.

Having been in service for about 29 years, it could be said that PAF is one of the longest running personal computing programs in software history. We recognize that as quite an accomplishment.
The Future Is Bright
At the same time that we give a big “Thank You!” and “Goodbye” to PAF, we are excited to embrace what the future holds. Beginning in 2007, family history-related online services of various types began to really take off. The growth of these services, including FamilySearch, has been an exciting thing to watch. Once isolated to paper documentation, or digitized record keeping on a single computer, we are now able to work together with family members across the globe on similar family lines in real time. Likewise, we see an increase in mobile and desktop apps that enable rich, interactive experiences, often connected to these online services. This is an exciting time for family history, with great new products and services that exist today and continue to emerge to fulfill evolving consumer needs!
Complete details and FAQs about PAF retirement and upgrades are available at http://familysearch.org/PAF.
I want to thank the people who started this program and led the way to more and better ways to do Family History. It sure beats the way I used to do it all with paper and pen!
I learned PAF so I could help others and am so very blessed to have had the opportunity to work with it! It opened lots of doors for many people in leading the way in showing how one can organize their FH on the p.c. without a lot of hassle and to have it at one’s finger tips. Thank you!
Loved PAF then went to Legacy but found it a bit difficult and settled in with RootsMagic. There is wisdom in this change and it is exciting to watch as changes are made albeit a bit frustrating at times. I appreciate all the work going in it to upgrade and trying to improve. There are bound to be errors along the way. I am pleased to be a part of this great work of family history.
I am thinking of replacing my PAF, but don’t know where to go. . Can you talk to me about your experience with Heritage and Roots Magic
I love this program I am Jewish and I think the LDS church is giving in to making money that figures they would cave to worldly things too!!
Hi Greg. I’m not sure I understand your point. I’m not sure how ending a product is a strategy for making money. I share your feelings on the love for PAF though. It’s a great product, has done a lot of good in the world.
They are ending a product that was free, and exchanging it for (3) that cost money. Sounds like a profit to me.
They are ending the ability to download the product PAF. In reality, PAF became obsolete several years ago when the support for it was discontinued. Nobody had a copy that suddenly stopped working for them then and it won’t suddenly stop working now.
The other programs ARE paid programs HOWEVER — RootsMagic and Legacy both have free versions (and the last time I checked them , these were NOT “trial” versions which often have a time limit) available for download from their websites that will essentially do EVERYTHING that PAF does and a bit more. And, actually, even is a person decides to pay for the “deluxe” versions of the programs, neither of them costs more than what I paid to take my son to a matinee last week once the popcorn was added in. And, by the way, the LDS church doesn’t profit from the sale of any of these products.
Personally I prefer RootsMagic (which will open a PAF file directly from the file on your hard drive). I’ve used Legacy in the past and it was a decent program as well, just find that RootsMagic fits me better. Of those I’ve seen mentioned here, FamilyTree Maker is the only one that I personally don’t care for (and I don’t believe they offer a free version either). However, other people love it.
I’m struggling to understand how FamilySearch makes profit from this. ??? The 3 suggested third-party products offer free versions. They also charge for more enriched versions in which they might make money. Given that they are completely independent, FamilySearch makes no money from this. In fact, we went out of our way to ensure there were FREE offerings available in the eco-system before making the decision to retire PAF.
“Free” is not actually free. It cost someone somewhere to produce and deliver. If you feel cost savings by dropping support of an outdated product is a profit strategy, that might make for interesting conversation, but I’m still pretty confused by this whole point. I’m genuinely interested in the feedback and perspectives though, and really appreciate all the comments here.
I wish PAF were turned over to an open source community. Maybe I will have to start such a project.
FamilySearch is also free.
Greg
I agree with you. I thought I finally found a website that was FREE. I’m on a budget and cannot afford purchasing so-called products that will help me in finding relatives on my Mother’s side of the family. I really did enjoy the Family Search website and was getting into the program. I was truly having fun. I do mean having fun with this program. As of today, I’m deleting Family Search from my favorites and look for something else that is free to use.
I’m completely confused. Are we talking about FamilySearch Family Tree (free), or are we talking about PAF (free) or other apps as recommended here (both free and nominal cost)??
I am grateful for this advancement in the process of using technology for Family History work. It is a huge boon to the work. I have worked for years with many many people who are totally dedicated to PAF. The thought of changing is daunting, I’m sure.
As a teacher and mentor may I offer you some advice? Please don’t be afraid to look at each of the new products.( I actually use all three.) All three have something to offer. All three offer you FREE versions to try. It may be the reports of one that appeal to you and the functionality of another that makes you comfortable. Take your time and learn something about each.
I would like to point out to you – if you are afraid to leave PAF, please know that “Ancestral Quest” has the look and feel of PAF. It actually will use your PAF files just the way you are accustomed to using them. The program has added many wonderful advances that make it comfortable and familiar yet completely in sync with Family Tree.
Don’t forget to try all three and learn their powerful functions. Each of the programs offers great tutorials and learning helps. Relax, read, and learn. And give yourself patience and time to do it in. Best wishes for your new adventure and advancement in Family History work!!
I have always loved PAF it was easy to teach to others. Now everything is so much harder. On Fri. at the Family History Center in Twin Falls, Idaho a lady got so upset with me because I told PAF was coming to the end of its time. Wow I felt so bad. I really will miss it also. It was the one thing to put your pictures on and get a really nice Pedigree chart. Now what do we do? The new program won’t let us do these charts.
If you are referring to FamilySearch, you can still produce all the same charts with Charting Companion for FamilySearch (http://progenygenealogy.com/products/family-tree-charts/family-search-version.aspx)
Complaints have been registered on this site that more tools are requiring money to use. I tried the link on this post that publishes reports and charts, and it requires a purchase.
I don’t think we need to actually change if we don’t want to. We still have the option to use PAF as long as we already have it. But if we want to be up to date with technology and all the new stuff that is available then you may want to change. For me, I plan to continue to use PAF for as long as I can. I have used it for years and really love it. I don’t necessarily need all of the fancy stuff. PAF is fancy enough for me.
I’m no technophobe, and I like PAF. I don’t want all singing all dancing upgrades every second month. I want to be able to record my data, export it when necessary, and spend my energy on my ancestral line, not on trying to work out how to record or access that information. If it isn’t broke, and no money is being expended on upgrading, why remove support? Why assume we all want bells and whistles and sparkling new features? This is very disappointing.
I don’t know all the reasons why FamilySearch has chosen to remove support for PAF, but I know that the amount of help that is needed for FamilySearch products is frequently greater than the number of support personnel available. Support includes employees, missionaries, and volunteers and that workforce is swamped at times. Discontinuing support for PAF will free up people to assist with the other products.
Does this mean we will need to copy everything from PAF to a new program ? I was told Family Tree Maker was compatible with window 7 only to find I lost everything in the transfer of my files.
Janis, sorry to hear about that transfer issue. I don’t think there is any rush, as PAF will continue to work for you. July 15 is simply when FamilySearch is no longer offering to new or returning users.
I always like to make a simple copy of my files before doing things like converting to new programs. If things dont work out, I just revert to my saved copy. The apps I recommended to try out are posted here: https://familysearch.org/PAF but there are many apps out there, including Family Tree Maker as you mentioned.
Relegating research to online only is going to inhibit much research. This is a very narrow minded decision that excludes or inhibits significant populations. Much of my work is done while I’m driving to distant places, in hotel rooms, as a passenger when someone else is driving. When every book in the Genealogical Society of Utah has been extracted to electronic form, then maybe you could consider eliminating PAF, but to do so now is premature.
I do agree that Ancestral Quest is a good replacement, but I can’t pass it out to non-member cousins like I do PAF.
At what level was this decision made? The decision seems to be a bit devoid of spirit.
I have been very happy using PAF since I purchased my first computer in 1992. So much so that I have bought the program several times to give as gifts to fellow genealogists.
I still have my own program disk and have not needed to ask for help – so will happily continue using this program until it no longer works. Love it!!
I totally agree with many of the comments that PAF should NOT be discontinued .
I have used PAF since 1990 , in all that time I have never used any “help” , so I intend to keep on using it as I do not want any thing fancy .
I need a program I can work on without being on the internet .
I know of several people in Australia that have PAF and like me will NOT be going to any other program .
Long live PAF …
I too agree with that PAF should not de discontinued and support – tho I have not ha to use support for help love it and I was introduced to it by a cousin back in 1995 – I had been using Everton’s program ancestral ???? which only allowed 22 lines of notes I am up to V4 and have v5 but do not like it because of the one line name with slash marks so have refused to upgrade to it – I do have legacy but not use to it it seems so complicated… I have FAMILY TREE for Ancestry and use it only for that purpose and hand put everything into PAF as I research. Oh well so much for a VERY GOOD thing sticking around forever…
It’s worth pointing out that just because PAF is being “discontinued” and will no longer be available for download, it isn’t going to suddenly stop working. That’s one of the major benefits of a stand-alone desktop application instead of a cloud-based one. If PAF provides all the functionality you need and you can do without some of the “bells and whistles” the programs recommended in the announcement offer, you can continue to use it (albeit without any support). You don’t *have* to change to a new program. If it works for you and suits your needs on July 14, it’ll still work for you and suit your needs on July 16.
And since PAF will no longer be available for download, it might be prudent for those who plan to continue using it to download a copy and store it someplace safe so it’s always available.
PAF FILE
So,where IS it??
Pat:
The location of PAF isn’t really a secret…lol. But they certainly didn’t make it very visible. You will need to access the home page for Family Search and then go to the very bottom of the page. Click on “About” then click on “Products” towards the top of the page. You should see the Personal Ancestral File 5.2 to download.
Hope this helps.
Finally, someone understands my question. Thanks, Valerie
so,I don’t have access to the internet at home where I work on my PAF. We can still use the program-right? Also,if we have the CD we can still download that?
Thanks
There is no telling when a future version of Windows will be incompatible with good ol’ PAF, however, yes, if you keep your copy on CD you can install it any time you need and it will continue to run.
David: I think the nail in PAF coffin has been caused by the need for a PAF fix when using the 64 bit version of WIN 7. I was referred to Ancestor Quest for that fix.
HMH
I agree with others here who love PAF’s functionality and have found no other product that supports unlimited notes. I’ve been a user for almost 30 years and have 40 thousand records, most with extensive notes. This is the second time I’ve been (ahem) disappointed, the first by PRF or whatever it initially was called. About ten years ago, PRF stopped posting updates and I was forced to start using RootsWeb, Ancestry and GenCircles (the latter now is defunct). I wouldn’t be so disappointed if a product existed that would seamlessly import my data, extensive notes and links to more than 7,000 images. Please release the source code for commercial production because it would save many of us. Additionally, because we’d pay for PAF, it would improve the economy.
I strongly agree with You. The notes ability in the “other programs” are extremely complicated. I do not see that there is any recent activity on this blog, is this a waste to write here?
I now have an Apple Computer. What should I do?
Gerard
There is the MacFamilyTree
this syncs with the LDS Family Tree
but is not a free program.
I know very little about the program, but there is a demo version for you to try.
If you do not need to sync to the LDS Family Tree or the LDS new Family search the field is large.
I have read everything I have been able to find about this change. What this change means to me…I will no longer use on line programs to keep my research. Just keeping my research on my pc using PAF.
I am pretty new to the church and PAF an am having a bit of a time with it not interested in the additional challenge of learning something more difficult to use. These new programs may have more bells and whistles but I just don’t need them, that just seems to confuse things for me. Sorry
Just a “way out of left-field” comment:
My husband is a sugarcane research geneticist. His company uses PAF to record their sugarcane genetic crosses! They found it to be the best program for keeping track of the genetic history of their plants. (No temple-work data needed, however
I purchased my first copy of PAF for $35 back in the late 1980s and enjoyed this program until recently. I am sorry to hear that it will no longer be supported. The familysearch.org site was great in allowing free updates to this software and over the years I have recommended PAF to many people. I loved this software & it’s ashamed that it’s being retired.
Having said that, I decided to download the free version of RootsMagic. My PAF files uploaded ok and I didn’t lose anyone but I soon found out that I couldn’t do what I had done for free in PAF unless I upgraded to the full version of RM, and some of these things were absolutely essential to me. So, I bought the full version, RM 6.2.1. I’m still trying to get used to everything but I am persevering.
Today, I decided to do my first backup to my CD-R on my D: drive. RootsMagic won’t allow my files to be backed up. I think it’s because I have a Windows XP computer (with SP3) & the .rmgc file extension isn’t recognized. I was online with tech support, by e-mail, for over 2 hours today & I was finally told it was a “Windows problem”. I have automated updates so my computer should be up to date as far as this operating system is concerned. The problem here is, Windows XP is no longer supported by Microsoft as of Apr 8 2014.
I would hate to be forced to buy another computer because of RM software. I know I’ll need one eventually, but this one is working fine right now & this would be an expense I wasn’t planning on.
I have over 60,000 people in my database & upload this regularly to WorldConnect.
So, I am between a rock and a hard place currently. Without being able to do backups, RootsMagic is useless.
I too like you love and adored PAF and assisted a lot of people to Start with PAF.
PAF isn’t going away, it is just that the church is not holding the program for download any more (Sob), I have the CD copy and I have a few copies of the download all over all my computers.
If you don’t need to be able to sync to Family Tree / New Family Search, and PAF does all you want of a genealogy program then you don’t need to change to another program.
We need to sync with family tree so we have the free version of Roots Magic and are learning it. but my wife still refuses to give up her PAF, and is still using it.
I am not sure about the not supporting PAF any longer I haven’t been given those instructions yet, but we have been informed not to suggest people start using the program, especially those just starting out..
My love affair with PAF began in 1999 with PAF 3 for windows, but since then I have learned and used PAF 2, PAF 3, PAF 4, PAF5, PAF 5.2 and also PAF 2.? for the Mackintosh.
I went to Ancestral Quest and backups fine.
AQ is much like PAF that is why I went with it. I too got the free RM, but my needs are basic. Just a thought
I left a comment on July 5/13 about converting from PAF to RootsMagic full version. I could not backup the RM file to disk on my D: drive. My computer was a Windows XP with SP3 and was told by RM tech support that I had a Windows problem.
Since then, I went out & bought a brand new Windows 7 computer. I had the company copy my RM database to my new computer and guess what?
I still cannot backup RM to my D: drive nor can I burn a backup copy to my D: drive.
I contacted RM tech support yesterday at 2:30pm (noon their time) and, as of today, I still have not heard back from them.
I am not impressed.
I have several PAF 2.31 data files but not software for either 2.31, 3, or PAF 4. Is there any way that I can salvage these 2.31 files?
Absolutely, but it may be difficult depending on where you live. The BYU Family History Library has (or at least used to) have the software needed to do the conversions.
My favorite part of PAF was a VERY powerful custom report feature. Roots Magic has a custom report, but not nearly as powerful. How about the other two replacement options?
My computer recently went down, while I saved my info from PAF to a stick, I can not read it without a copy of PAF. What do I do now??
It seem un-logical to me that PAF cannot be accessed in some way. I’ve asked before, is this file proprietary to the LDS church, or could it be made available thru another site, by another party?
Tami, I have a “clean” copy of PAF (I have not yet opened it) that I downloaded just prior to its discontinuance. I would be happy to send you a copy of my file (assuming that is allowed..) If you would like to do this, we can work out a way to connect; let me know.
~judy
Judy, I am sure you are besieged by requests, but I would like to take advantage of your offer, under whatever conditions you request. I was never notified of this discontinuance, and just found out about it, even tho I have been a user for 20 years. Too late, obviously, to download it. Hope you will respond. Thanks.
No besieges…
I’ve also discovered that, as Mr Pugmire mentioned below, the 3 “suggested” alternate programs will easily open your PAF files.
If you would like me to send you a Disk containing the PAF files, email me at wingsofsong at yahoo dot com, and we can work out the details.
~judy
Judy, Do you use Dropbox? First 2 gigs are free. You could put the PAF in a public folder. I just sent you an invite. I would love to have a copy if you would.
Thanks,
Jack
I do have dropbox. That is a good idea. I downloaded the file to my box today, but don’t know how to make it available! ..Looked around a bit, but don’t have more time to figure it out today. –Any tips?
It would be awesome if the language files were all available as well (not that I need them but someone might).
The great thing about PAF is how widely its data is supported, even after it’s retirement! Every family tree managing desktop app that I know of supports the PAF data format, including the 3 suggested in this blog and page here: https://familysearch.org/paf. I should say, every app supports GEDCOM output, not necessarily data format directly. But these 3 open the PAF file directly. So I think you’ll be in good shape.
And as others have mentioned, if you can find a person with a copy of PAF, that’s fine too.
Try and find some that has a copy of the version you had ask if they will let you borrow it and download load it to your new computer
what is this PAF ? i just started my family tree about a little over a month ago..does this affect me and my family tree?
It’s a great old program for recording your genealogy. You’ll do fine without it, especially if you’ve not ‘grown up’ on it! It’s harder for us old folks to change our ways :/
Is there a pdf/ manual available on line or as a download for v 5.2?
If the link doesn’t work, I just Googled ‘paf manual. Was easy to find.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvernalfhc.org%2Fclassnotes%2Fpaf5.pdf&ei=xLdFUoWSFIHI9gTqtoHAAg&usg=AFQjCNFWutZ_dU9o3qdp55OY2-m6dEwcNw&sig2=IiKXxucFLqrBpW1ochmvHA&bvm=bv.53217764,d.eWU
I started using Personal Ancestral File in the early years when it was a DOS based program. I think I paid $36 for the first version I had which I received on the 3.5 inch floppy disks. Since then I have seen it mature so I was very surprised to find it being discontinued. I only found out when I went looking to see if there was an update to the PAF Companion last Friday.
I have become very comfortable with PAF and have introduced the program to most of my family along with the database that I have compiled to date. After a long hiatus, I am looking forward to re-initiating my genealogical search.
My only concern now will be choosing the right software (for me) to replace it. The three packages recommended as a replacement all seem to have a similar look and feel as PAF. While they all have free versions available, the deluxe versions, in all cases, are quite reasonably priced and I like the way they all link directly to FamilySearch and other genealogical databases on the web. That will be a great plus as I again embark on my quest to discover my roots.
Thank you to all those at the Family Search Center who contributed to the creation and evolution of PAF for all those years. They have provided a product that set the standard for genealogical research, recording and transfer.
I am still using PAF who cares if there is no support the program it still works, I am Jewish and it has what I need!!!
Hey Gregg! Got a copy?
I have used PAF since the 1980’s and have never had a technical support problem with it – so easy to use. I will miss it, but I do understand that in this tech world we have to keep moving forward. I have not decided which other program to use, but I do want to know which one supports unlimited notes. Any suggestions?
I have not found any that support notes as well as PAF. They are complicated both in the note taking and the utilization of the notes.
I am so disappointed as I have used PAF for years without the need for support. I see this as a multi million dollar move as people will need to purchase a program. What makes me think about this more is the fact that PAF is no where to be found even in old sites. Why not let us continue to use it without support? There is a forced deal here.
What is really interesting about this whole uproar is that nobody ever said that you could not continue to use PAF if you want to. If that is the program that you are comfortable and it works for you, then by all means use it. It just is not being supported anymore. There are still a lot of PAF user groups around that could help if a problem arises or you have a question. The point is that it is old technology and does not offer many features that are offered by newer programs — much like Window 3.1 being replaced by Window 7 or 8.
The point is, as Rev John pointed out, that PAF was not left available for download for those who still want to use it and may need a fresh copy. There are still people out there looking to download old Windows programs too–hard to find, and illegal to copy b/c Microsoft made $$ from them. But PAF was free, so why not?
I have had fun reading most of the posts on this and a little surprised at the negatives expressed. I thought that the announcement was well worded and succinct and reasons well established.
Change is always a challenge and I am no different dealing with change in my senior years. However I understand the issues and feel to be supportive and move on. The alternatives seem reasonable in particular Ancestral Quest so I will eventually migrate to that I am sure.
I have used PAF since it was introduced on ‘floppy disk’ those many years ago, and have never had any difficulty. I also purchased for a few extra dollars PAF Companion for improved presentation and printing. It has all been a great way to store accumulated paper documents that my father struggled with for so many years. Thank you for getting us underway electronically for these many years. We will now move on with what I feel are improved resources.
Greetings from Australia.
I do want to thank the folks who’ve made this program available; I’ve been using it for almost a decade and have been able to trace roots back almost 400 years to England, Scotland, Ireland and France. Now that it’s discontinued, I’m a little afraid that all my work will essentially be ‘lost’. Do any of these free programs mentioned, make use of the .paf file and records that I’ve created?
Yes, Joshua, all three of the suggested programs will assimilate your PAF files. Make sure you have backup copies, just to be assured and confident that you won’t lose anything in the transfer.
Can I purchase PAF programe for own use
PAF is–that’s WAS–free. It can no longer be downloaded from the FamilySearch website. I have a clean copy of PAF in my online dropbox, but don’t know how to make it public (if possible). I can link it to you, however, if I have some contact information (email or Facebook). Email me at wingsofsong at yahoo dot com.
I know there have been several folks mentioning they are willing and able to redistribute PAF. It should be noted that FamilySearch does not give redistribution rights to others. We encourage using one of several free alternatives (link in the post) for two reasons.
1) the 3rd party apps are great apps and support the ability to connect to Family Tree (PAF does not) and
2) the 3rd party apps have active developers behind them, are more modern, and have a longer term future and support.
That said, I personally have a copy of PAF I will never delete. But this is more for fun and testing than for any serious future-thinking family history work.
That is interesting because back in September I read:
David Pugmire says:
September 9, 2013 at 1:16 pm
“…And as others have mentioned, if you can find a person with a copy of PAF, that’s fine too.”
I interpreted that as “permission to share,” which I had previously inquired about and never received a reply one way or another.
The fact is, FamilySearch does not authorize redistribution rights. If friends are handing it to each other privately, that is one thing, but if people are posting it online for public redistribution… I don’t recommend it. As with anything, people will do as they wish.
I agree Judy. Thank you for your DropBox. I would really like to get the other languages as well if anyone has them.
Where can I find an installable copy of PAF5.
Building relationships with other softwares is fine.
What about your relationship with those who use your software?
There is no authorized downloadable copy of PAF online. Many people are able to get a copy from friends.
All software comes to an end at some point, or evolves into something new and different. In the case of PAF, it did not evolve. The industry has done a great job in offering better alternatives. Therefore, the best thing an organization can do when discontinuing something and striving to maintain relationships at the same time, is to offer alternatives. This is exactly what FamilySearch has done.
There are many PAF fans out there, all are appreciated and FamilySearch acknowledges all. I think the ongoing expression of interest in PAF is a tribute to something that has played such a great role in the lives of many.
Ah, PAF! I still love it and use it to teach others the rudiments of having a place to get started. FamilySearch is wonderful, don’t get me wrong … at times I have felt completely overwhelmed by the “complexity” of using it; wherein, PAF was this sweet, gentle, home base that gave an uncomplicated place to store information. PAF, to me is the baby-steps to the grander realm of Family/Search.
I know that many people love PAF. However, I do have to voice a slight concern here. If you are starting new people out using PAF (25 year old technology that has been discontinued and actually does not interface with familytree without additional help) you may want to consider changing that. A third party software is certainly a good way to start people out, especially in the way that it sounds like you are describing. The free versions that have been suggested by familysearch to replace PAF (RootsMagic; Legacy; and Ancestral Quest) can all accomplish that “sweet, gentle, home base” that you described. I started out many years ago on PAF and, although trying other programs over the years, kept coming back to it, until I hit upon RootsMagic (way before it interfaced with FamilyTree). I have not used AQ, but I have used Legacy, and am currently a RootsMagic user (forever, I might add — or until when and if it joins the ranks of PAF). All three are fairly user friendly when it comes to entering information. While the sourcing options seem a bit more complicated — if you are used to sourcing your information in the NOTES section — go ahead and do that.
I would encourage you, however, to “take the baby-steps” in a 3rd party software that will allow you to transfer your information to FamilyTree when you are ready without having to GEDCOM and load to another program or find a program that will bridge between your information and FamilyTree. I don’t know about the others, but I do know that RootsMagic will even let you open that old PAF database directly (without having to prepare a GEDCOM and import it into a new program)
All three of these programs should accomplish both the “baby-steps” and the “grown up” activities.
Not a criticism of your method, just a thought you might want to consider.
I know that the Mormon Mountain will not move, but I really want another copy of PAF5.
I think that destructively mothballing it really sucks.
If you wish, you may either get me your e-mail address or send one to wingsofsong (search for it on this page), you can download it as a friend of ours.
If you send an email to the following email address, I can send you a installable copy of copy PAF (English)
bumbling.old.silly.fool@gmail.com
Hello PAF friends . . . Does anyone have any other languages other than English?
I have the multilingual copy of PAF
it is in an ISO format
email me on
bumbling.old.silly.fool@gmail.com
Hi “Bumbling Old Silly Fool”,
I have sent you a couple of e-mails, but it seems you have not got them yet.
For those people that are concerned about the discontinuance of PAF, take a look at Ancestral Quest. AQ and PAF share a common ancestor (AQ 3.5) and have virtually identical “look and feel.”
Ancestral Quest is available in a free version and in a $30 for pay version. They are nearly identical, except that the for-pay version has fan charts, which the free version does not. Ancestral Quest can also use the old PAF data format.
If you want to check this out, do a google or yahoo search for “Ancestral Quest.” and download the free version.
If you have Discontinued this site why do you expect posts and give these people the same answer , which is I don’t know!!!
FamilySearch has not been discontinued; the genealogy program PAF has been discontinued.
I am so desperately sorry to learn that PAF is no longer available. I have more than 75,000 individuals in my files, and hate to think they will die when the computers do.
I do not LIKE to substitute programs, preferring the simplicity of PAF. I feel absolutely deserted by this decision to
abandon us after countless hours
of time, effort and expense making these records.
I will thankfully pay a substantial price for any old PAFdisks people may have
on hand –as they leap to embrace
an untried product. Please make my offer available–and I’ll send checks out immeidately.
Marva, Ancestral Quest looks nearly identical to the old PAF, and should be easy for you to transition to. On the other hand, there are people around who have copies of the old PAF program who are willing to share (at no cost). I have shared my file with a couple of disappointed/ ‘desperate’ friends. Read thru the posts on this blog, and you should find a few leads.
Thank you for answering. I just found TWO copies of PAF 5.2 onine and bought both–for more than $70 each. I’m also trying to get family members to stock up.
I have been working on these files for my gentile family for more than 40 years, and
I have the only copies of much of the work.
I feel so betrayed that the church just arbitrarily jerked this out from under us after making this choice for us to begin with.
At lease there are a few surviving copies out there. I think that there are so many of us who have a lifetime’s work that eventually there will be a way to regenerate PAF. I surely hope so.
There are so MANY things wrong with
the new Family Search prorgam (probably foremost allowing patrons new to research ELEMINATE records altogether–some little deacons just 12 years old and too sure of themselves).
At this point, I’m trying to make sure the work is done for my relatives–and keep records on private sites that can’t be messed up so BADLY! It’s tiring to work to get the same records entered correctly over and over again.
Because of this, I will document the
records on my OWN site, but I’lll never spend the thousands of hours it took to “dispute” and document on new.familiysearch–only to have them removed so we could do it again.
You must have had a big change in staff there!
I am very confused by your remark that you purchased multiple copies of PAF 5.2 (at a very high price!). Why would want to do that? There are friends–myself included–who have offered to share copies of their file on this blog. Once you have one *free* copy, you can burn as many duplicates as you wish. For someone to sell these files has got to be illegal, knowing that the LDS church has proprietary rights, and originally offered them at no cost to all.
I just realized that if there is a 5.4 version rather than 5.2, I probably bought the wrong version anyway (two copies!).
If you have the latest version of PAF, I would be VERY GRATEFUL if you would share it with me. Please let me know how much money to send and how. This is very nice of you.
I am nearly positive that 5.4 was a typographical error and should have been 5.2. The copies that Judy and I have been talking about are free. I do not believe selling the CD packs is illegal because they were available for purchase even when you could download them for free.
I checked and found ‘ve been using Version 5.2–so the two unopened copies of PAF 5.2 I purchased for $75 each will be fine. I do plan to purchase several more–to make it possible to share my records with other family members. $75 seems a high price, but it is so very, very cheap not to lose 40 years of research. (I plan to acquire several more copies. Fortunately there are thousands of copies out there–to be featured in estate and garage sales.
Many of us believe PAF was really a wonderful program, and having been encouraged to start out this way –by the church–we will choose to continue to use it. The problems with the new Family Tree are alarming, and we want to preserve our records however necessary.
And, of course, selling the PAF software is perfectly legal. People bought it and are reselling it. There is no pirating or violation of copyright laws.
Thank you again for offering to share.
I will do the same.
The Last version of PAF is 5.2
The PAF 5.4 that is being spoken of is
Personal Ancestral File Companion 5.4
To my knowledge, there is no 5.4. I downloaded my file from FamilySearch just one month before it was taken down permanently. It is 5.2.
I would suggest that you not offer money for copies of the file. If they are to be found–through friends and associates–they should be at no cost. Paying for proprietary property thru another party is only encouraging a market that is clearly illegal.
It looks like we are talking about two different versions of PAF–the digital and a set of disks. I was unaware that disks were ever available, and know nothing of the legality of their distribution. I only know that the sharing of digital files is questionable, even what we are offering here. There are some old-old-old PAF disks currently for sale on eBay, but nothing current.
PAF 5.2 is available from download free from here. It works fine on Windows 7 http://personal-ancestral-file.software.informer.com/
Have you downloaded it recently from that site? When I click on the ‘download’ button it takes me to the FamilySearch website. FamilySearch took PAF down nearly a year ago. All comments at your link are 2+ years old.
Hi Judy,
I just almost cried when i saw PAF is no longer available. I haven’t worked with mine since I lost computer to a virus a few years ago and wanted to download it again. I would be so grateful if you could share your PAF file with me.
Thank you kindly
I have a copy Of The PAF 5.2 Install File that I Can email to You.
Send an email to the address below
And I will send it to you
bumbling.old.silly.fool@gmail.com
Cheers
Boss Mann
Shannon,
Send an email to wingsofsong at yahoo dot com, and I will give you my dropbox access to PAF 5.2.
Many people love their PAF programs. It was free, then it was available at less than $10, then it was free again. I purchased the program years ago to install in another computer. I prefer PAF to other genealogy programs. If there is no interest to upgrade PAF to work in other windows system upgrades, consider asking for volunteer programmers to do that upgrade to the PAF program for free, and offer it as a patch. Windows XP is on the way out and many of us prefer to continue using PAF on newer operating systems. We are all preserving genealogy for the future.
I realized as soon as I ended the last “reply” that I forgot to thank you for your kind offer to share the PAF with me.
This was very nice of you.
I’ll be sharing my copies with friends and relatives too—and will be buying up more copies of PAF.
Thank you for getting back to me.
Marva, do you have English only or other languages? I am trying to find other.
I have a copy of the multilanguage version disk that I could send to you
I can be contacted on
bumbling.old.silly.fool@gmail.com
PAF is know to work flawlessly with all versions of windows from
95, 98, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 and most probably the versions as well.
I have been using PAF 5.4 since 1989, It dose what I want of Genealogy programme & I will still use it
I’d vote for open sourcing PAF but much of the latest version came from one of the ‘for profit’ companies, so not likely to happen. However, would it be possible for the file formats to be made public? (i.e. the Old .paf format, GeDCOM, and the Family Search formats)
If they’d publish those the “minions” might be able to create a web version of good ol’ PAF that links to this site. If they are already published could you tel us where to find them?
A while back, I started an application and am planning on continuing with it. I have not decided exactly what I am going to do with it though. At least some of the information has been published, but not sure what is still available or still made available.
is it possible to transfer information from personal ancestral file 5 to 5.2 ?
If I am remembering correctly, you should be able to just open up a 5.0 PAF file into 5.2. Generally speaking, the file format does not change except for major versions (such as 4.x to 5.0, etc.).
Yes! I started with version 3.0–and kept transferring with no problems as they went though the various upgrades. That was one of the charms of PAF. (I’ll be buying at least a dozen more copies to try to keep my family stocked.)
No need to transfer or to convert the file the same data file will work in PAF 5 and PAF 5.2
i’m still trying to get my head round anything that beats pen and paper. that doesnt get hacker, die suddenly, or controlled/locked out by someone else….computers! a big family history/temple converted person. but very very fustrated at the ‘teck no garbage’.i know its suppose to be a blessing, however me and ITjust dont mix!!!
I think the Family History Department just doesn’t understand that when we faithfully committed a lifetime’s work to the system they developed and insisted was the way to go, we cared about preserving our records for our families as well as getting the temple ordinances completed. When we spend the thousands of hours we all put into compiling these records, thought the format they mandated would be preserved too. Now, with the New Family Tree imposed on us, we find that they are even allowing anyone to delete records. This is fine if all that matters is getting the temple ordinances done–because we can always re-enter. But I will buy at least a dozen more copies of 5.2 for my family because I will make sure they are preserved in this format–and probably another down the line of my own choosing. I won’t count on the Church to be the SAVER of member records any more–and consequently won’t spend much time documenting on the church site. (I can’t tell you how many hundreds of hours I spend documenting “disputes”–only to have them throw all of those away.
The last time I looked–and protested, George Washington was shown married to seven women–wives of his brothers, etc. In scholastically oriented circles the New Family Tree is as much of a joke as the old Ancestral File system. We just have to get reoriented to the idea that this system is only reliable in getting temple work done.
(And in the New Family Tree, there is no way to SEPARATE entries that shouldn’t have been merged–so we can’t tell to which of 8 people the ordinances shown really apply.
This will result in resubmissions–and a lot of duplication of ordinances.) I liked New Family Search MUCH better–especially when combined with the Insight program that showed exactly what data was submitted when a particular ordinance was performed.
Without the ability to UN-combine, it’s a hopeless mess.
I wanted to thank your organization for the use of PAF5 and all the records that you have made available over the years. I not only publish my own extensive tree on your site but on Worldconnect so that others can use the information. Also, I use my extensive experience to help out family and friends do their tree. Thank you so much.
I miss PAF because it was simple and easy to use. I have a MAC computer new and have not found a genealogy program so far that I love as well. I have Reunion but have not been that impressed with it. Any suggestions on software for the mac?
I am very disappointed that you no longer offer paf. I have and have tried other programs and didn’t and don’t care for them.
I have used PAF since 1984 and I still have it on my Windoze XP system. The problem is my computer died and I was forced to replace the software to run under windows 7 ultimate. I just found out that this version has been retired. What can I do to get the Original PAF v.5.2 running on my new computer? I did a search for “PAF old version download” but did not find any links to it exist. I really like the reports features and will have to do a substantial amount of reformatting. Could someone please just upload a link to the install program and I could try it out & see if it works?
Gary,
I have a copy of PAF 5.2 in my dropbox that I can share with you. Send your email to wingsofsong at yahoo dot com and I will send you an invitation.
HELP !
I no longer have the program file , PAF5 since I traded in my computer.
Where can I get a copy of the program file on disk?
I googled and bought two copies–and they cost $50-60. each. I’ll be buying more to get my records preserved –and distributed to family members. Many relatives have already purchased their own disks (which can b used on more than one computer). We’re buying multiple copies in case of damage or loss.
I feel very betrayed by this Church decision. When I went to the tremendous effort of entering information for more than 75,000 individuals–because of their direction, I never dreamed they’d jerk the program out from under us. I will never invest in yet another system.
On disk, you might have to try to find it on eBay or something. Otherwise, you can read through the rest of the posts and find that it is available electronically.
I Have a Copy of the file and can send iot to you
email me at
bumbling.old.silly.fool@gmail.com
Please tell me what to do. I lost my old computer but have 5.2 backup data. My CD disk is for 4.0 and I need to update my new computer to 5.2 before it will transfer my data. I am not real handy re computers, but don’t want to loose my many hours of data. Can you please help me!
Bob, send an email to bumbling.old.silly.fool@gmail.com or wingsofsong at yahoo.com. We can send you a digital file of 5.2 that you can download to your computer and you will be good to go. All the technology changes to the way we do genealogy are overwhelming, are they not?!
Is this electronic version an upgrade from 4.0 or the complete program? This 5.2 download then will allow me to load my backup from my other computer.
Do you recommend keeping the PAF program or is there another program that will accept the PAF data and is supported?
The PAF file that I have is the 5.2–same as you would get from FamilySearch, if they still had it; complete and with users guide. I downloaded it about a month before they took it down last year.
The three new programs now recommended by FamilySearch (I have Ancestral Quest) are compatible with any PAF backup files you have. Just open the program and load it in. The pages look similar, just a lot more “bells & whistles.” Try one (or more) of them out for free to see if you like them. Paying the $30 gives you more options, and a bit less hassle.
I use PAF.5 for a long time and I will use it on my new computer. Is It possible to download the program anywhere from a website? or can you help me with the program?
with regards, Hendrik Honsbeek
Read the posted comments just above yours (first part of July) and you will find email addresses of friends who can share their PAF file with you. It is no longer available online.
I have a copy Of the PAF program and/or can assist you with transferring to another program.
Just send and email to Boss Mann at the email address below
bumbling.old.silly.fool@gmail.com
and I will get back to you.
Is there any way that I can retrieve my personal ancestral file from OPEN OFFICE?
No. To my knowledge, OpenOffice and PAF are completely unrelated programs.
If you need a new copy of PAF (no longer available from FamilySearch) look to the July posts above where you will find email addresses of friends who can share their file with you.
Are unsure of what you are trying to do.
If you have a copy of your PAF data file and are trying to open it in Open Office uit Will not open.
If you would like a copy of the PAF 5.2 program so that you can open your PAF Data File or you need help with your Family History contact Boss Mann by email at bumbling.old.silly.fool@gmail.com
And I will try and assist you.
Boss Mann
Thank you for responding! I have not done any FH for years. I figured I could get Salt Lake to reformat my data to a newer version. Then I find out PAF has been discontinued! I think I’m sorry I went the computer route. Is there an alternative program that will take my data if I am able to open it in your 5.2?
Send an email to
bumbling.old.silly.fool@gmail.com
and I will be able to send you a copy of the PAF 5.2 install file
Also I will be able to explain the other programs that are usable for your purposes.
Waiting to hear from you.
I have my family history on a backup Paf disc. How can I get it off?!
Get a copy of PAF5.2 from Boss Mann–or I have one–and import your backup file onto it. We need your email address, so write to the address in B/M’s post above, or to me at wingsofsong at yahoo.com and we’ll send you a copy. Voila! You will be able to access all your files on your backup disk.
Also, any of the 3 new programs suggested by FamilySearch will open your backup PAf files.
Hi Collleen.
If You Send an email to me on my gmail account below
bumbling.old.silly.fool@gmail.com
I will be able to assist you to salvage and to convert the file to the newer version that other programs will be able to read.
Waiting for your email
Boss Mann
All, the entire point of this blog post is centered around what alternatives there are to PAF (and that includes apps that can open PAF files). Please scroll all the way to the top, and follow any of the links mentioned in the blog post.
I am not sure how this consistently gets missed, but I will see what we can do about it in the future.
When I first came to this page via Google, the rest of the comments were not viewable to me. Only after I had posted was I able to see, and read, what had been written. Perhaps others have had a similar problem.
I have copies of my geneology that I can not access because I cannot download PAF. I saved these versions of my geneology on CD’s and no longer have PAF on my computer as the herd drive on my computer is irrepairable. Can I access PAF eleswhere?
You can send me an email at
bumbling.old.silly.fool@gmail.com
And I will be able to send you a copy of PAF 5.2
Cheers
Boss Mann
You can also download any of the three programs: legacy, rootsmagic, or ancestral quest. These three recommended/suggested programs will accept your PAF backup files. Read the info at the top of this page. You can also get a lot of info by reading thru the comments.
PAF served a purpose, and the new Family Tree is also free to set up and use. AND you can still download and use PAF 5.2 there just isn’t any support to it.
PAF 5.2 is no longer on the Family Search Website.
You can still use it but you have to look for it or ask for a copy to reinstall if needed.
A site reviewing family tree software referred me to a site where PAF 5.2 is available for download.
Helana, you need to contact “friends” via email who are sharing their digital copies:
bumbling.old.silly.fool@gmail.com or wingsofsong@yahoo.com are two that have been posted in the past.
I had provided the site from which I downloaded PAF, but it was deleted by admin. Anyone may contact me for the web address. It’s a direct download of 5.2.
I have a copy of the PAF 5.2 install file that I can email to you. just send an email to me at bumbling.old.silly.fool@gmail.com and I will be able to email you a copy
Boss Mann
I am so sorry for the confusion this is causing. I was able to download 5.2 directly from a website, the name of which was deleted by admins from my original post because I should not have posted another company’s name. Thanks so much for the offer, however.
You can download the PAF 5.2 version here:
http://parowansoftware.com/
Thanks so much! It worked.
I have had PAF on my HP windows 7 for years, I want to transfer six separate files on my new I Mac with Yosemite, what is the best software to use for that undertaking
I have had PAF 5.2 on my HP windows 7 for years, I want to transfer six separate files on my new I Mac with Yosemite, what is the best software to use for that undertaking. ( e mail address corrected, sorry, above is correct)
Have been a member of the Church since 1947. I`m dismayed to see that FamilySearch is not backward compatible with PAF data. Some of my records are no longer available on paper and it`s too much to re-enter a lifetime of research. Any suggestions?
Many people have made suggestions above on how to save what you have and continue on from there. I’d look at some of their suggestions.
With my new Windows 7 I was able to use
To my surprise I was able to use my orig.
PAF 5.2 file (disc) on my new Windows7 PC.I have PACompnion5.2.Can I use it in
the same way & what it is useful for?
PAF Companion Should Work on windows 7. At leats the 32 bit version of windows.
I seem to remember there are some issues with companion on the 64 bit operating systems.
But give it a try it may work properly.
I know that PAF 5.2 works on all, it is only Companion that has a few issues.
Didn’t spot the second question in that post. But better late than never.
PAF Companion is a way of producing Charts reports and trees of your PAF data files.
these are r=the fan charts, Family group sheets, Family Pedigree, and other forms of printouts. A bit more detailed and profesional than PAF can produce.
Boss Mann
Hi Boss Man,
Just a heads up – I sent you an email on Nov. 18th about sending PAF 5.2 to me as well as asking questions about PAF Companion which you answered in this post.
Thanks;,
Helana
I have many patrons that are very unhappy with this change to use a different program I teach them yo use the new Family Search but when it comes to not being able to use the PAF program its hard for the older people that have been using PAF a very long time what i see is people that have passed away and will not have a chance to be Baptized there second chance is gone.
I’m interested in talking with people who have replaced their PAF programs with Roots Magic or Heritage and can give me their impressions of the transfer of data as well as using the new programs afterwards.
Is there an open forum or such that I can access?
Anyone have a “frozen” version of .PAF that can be launched from a cloud? “Since legacy apps are not compatible with the cloud you can fool them into running in a cloud by “freezing” by running a copy then use the standard administration console to the configure the app but once you’ve finished you can simply commit the files to your control system. Doing so effectively freezes the state. Once frozen, you can deploy it anywhere you like.” ????
Please bring back PAF all the other suck.
I am not satisfied with any of the replacements for PAF. The replacements are difficult to view and maneuver through. I take notes on all research and this is the most difficult part of any of the replacements. Recording, and using the notes is extremely difficult. Now with windows 8.1 I am no longer able to edit individuals and marriages in PAF. I am so frustrated.
Rodney, I’m sorry that these changes have caused you frustration. I will forward your feedback on. FamilySearch is always working to make family history work more convenient for users, so keep checking back for updates.
How can I get hold of a copy or download as I have lost my programme due to my hard drive being replaced. My files are backed up but no programme to run them on and valuable data will be lost otherwise.
Karen, sadly the program is no longer available for download. This website will be able to give you more information regarding this change: https://familysearch.org/PAF
Karen, the three new replacement programs suggested by FamilySearch will all support your backed up PAF files.
Also, there are a few old downloadable 5.2 PAF programs around that you can get from ‘friends’ at this site. Read back up thru the (now very long) list of comments above yours. You will find a couple of email addresses of people willing to share a PAF program with you.
thanks for the info will look at that thanks it will make life so much easier, regards Karen
I have a Copy of the PAF Instal File if you still require it.
Email me at the following email address
bumbling.old.silly.fool@gmail.com
Boss Mann
Greetings all
Is there anybody who can help me get a copy of PAF4?
I lost it when my computer crashed.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Adrian Ackerman
Sedgefield
South Africa
Adrian,
Read through the comments above yours, and you will find email addresses of people who are willing to share copies of the old PAF program. Or download one of the three suggested new programs. They will all work with your old saved PAF records.
Dear Judy
Thank you for contacting me.
I have been offered a PAF 4 download.
Kind regards and stay safe.
Adrian Ackerman
Hi Adrian
I have a copy of PAF 4 and PAF 5.2
also I have a copy of the PAF 5.2 install disk with PAF 2, 3, 4 & 5.2 On it.
I can email you the Paf 4 and The PAF 5.2 install files or I can send you a link to download the ISO file for you to burn a copy of the full disk.
Just send me an email to
bumbling.old.silly.fool@gmail.com
with what version you want, or if you would like the full disk and I will send of your programs to you.
Your PAF 4 data file will open in PAF 5.2, it will convert the file to a new file for 5.2 but will leave the old file untouched if you change the name for the new file.
Boss Mann
I’ve been using PAF5.2 on my 64 bit windows 7 machine for a while, with no problems, and it was okay yesterday. This morning I find that it hangs up when I try to edit an individual or add an individual. I restalled it, (I had kept a copy of the install from way back when), with no improvement. Running fix/repair from the menu ran okay, and i also tried opening a different paf file. I’m an now thinking that a recent windows update is causing the problem. .
Has anyone else run into this?
Thanks!
I am using PAF 3.0M. I am about to retire and will have time to spend with my Family History. Is it possible to convert V3 to V5.2 without losing what I have?
Thanks you, Maureen
yes if you have the PAF 3.0 up and running you can create a Gedcom of it and import it in to PAF 5.2.
OR
open the PAF 3.0 data file in to PAF 5.2 and it will ask if you want convert this file say yes and enter a new file name for the new PAF 5.2 Data file of your data.
this leaves your Old 3.0 data file untouched and you have the converted 5.2 data file to work with
if you need more assistance with this Please email me on bumbling.old.silly.fool@gmail.com
and I will be glad to help you
When Isaid a new Name for the 5.2 data file I meant different, so that it does not overwrite the 3.0 data file
Well, well. I just went to the PAF website for HELP, since I’m having a devil of a time trying to create a GEDcom file to import. That’s where I just learned about the discontinued Support & no new Downloads. Count me among those where were not notified, after nearly 20 yrs with PAF. I have backups but now will double check that I also have a program CD. I am thankful for this forum for so many to express frustration and ask Qs about the future, conversions, etc.
Help with moving Multimedia files. I am carefully following the directions to (a) merge two PAF branches, (b) to change the location of all their photos to the new Gedcom. The Global Search & Replace isn’t working. It wants me to change the path to each indiv. photo separately. This could take all year. I have moved the photos folder to the new Gedcom location. It ought to be easier. Help would be appreciated.
Hi, I have been using PAF5 for several years with no problems but suddenly today I am unable to open the file. It was working at least 2 weeks ago and now nothing opens. I use an Ubuntu based system. Anyone else had this and if so how do I solve it.
I had a must glitch that deleted my program PAF- Not the files, but the program. I need a copy of the last program you offered. Where can I get it?
I have tried using other program- now FTM, but at 78, it is not easy to change horses in the middle of the stream. I am used to it, and want it back.
Thanks.
A contributor for over 40 years to your collection.
I can email you a copy of the English PAF install File.
Just send your Email address to
bumbling.old.silly.fool@gmail.com
and I will email it to you within 2 days
Boss Mann