Finding an Irish Ancestor Using Welsh RecordsEdit This Page

From FamilySearch Wiki

(Difference between revisions)
m (external to internal link)
m
 
(6 intermediate revisions by 2 users not shown)
Line 1: Line 1:
 
== Notes on Immigration  ==
 
== Notes on Immigration  ==
  
The Irish emigration to Wales was quite easy. The ports in Ireland are not far from English and some Welsh ports. Trade was quite common between Ireland and England and Wales. Liverpool was a magnate for the Irish and Liverpool is not far from Wales. Work was available in England and Wales. Many English had property in Ireland. The Church of Ireland is the same religion as the Church of England and The Church in Wales. The British Military enlisted Irish. As a result, the Irish did settle in England and Wales. Since Ireland was part of the British Isles, it is difficult to trace the leaving of Irish emigrants to Wales through any passenger lists. It was easy to get on a ship and leave for England and Wales and not be traced.  
+
The Irish emigration to Wales was quite easy. The ports in Ireland are not far from English and some Welsh ports. Trade was quite common between Ireland and England and Wales. Liverpool was a magnate for the Irish and Liverpool is not far from Wales. Work was available in England and Wales. Many English had property in Ireland. The Church of Ireland is the same religion as the Church of England and The Church in Wales. The British Military enlisted Irish. As a result, the Irish did settle in England and Wales. Since Ireland was part of the British Isles, it is difficult to trace the leaving of Irish emigrants to Wales through any passenger lists. It was easy to get on a ship and leave for England or Wales and not be traced.  
  
 
Families who were Catholic may show up in Catholic records in Wales. Families with Irish Surnames can show up in many different types of records. See records below.  
 
Families who were Catholic may show up in Catholic records in Wales. Families with Irish Surnames can show up in many different types of records. See records below.  
Line 7: Line 7:
 
== How to Use This Page  ==
 
== How to Use This Page  ==
  
This page is designed to help you find information quickly. Links have been put in at the beginning of each source to help you find more indepth information. These links will help you gain an understanding of the record type. On this page, the other information listed in these sources can help you locate information quickly and guide you to websites or where information can be found. The internet is becoming a great resource and help to to those pursuing genealogical research and Irish emigrants. The wiki and these sources should be a useful guide.  
+
This page is designed to help you find information quickly. Links have been put in at the beginning of each source to help you find more in-depth information. These links will help you gain an understanding of the record type. On this page, the other information listed in these sources can help you locate information quickly and guide you to websites or where information can be found. The internet is becoming a great resource and help to to those pursuing genealogical research and Irish emigrants. The wiki and these sources should be a useful guide.  
  
 
== British Military  ==
 
== British Military  ==
  
For more indepth information on British Military for Ireland, try our wiki under [[British Military Records|British Military Records]] Many Irish have joined the Military and this Military covers many branches.  
+
For more in-depth information on British Military for Ireland, try our wiki under [[British Military Records|British Military Records]]. Many Irish people have joined the Military and this Military covers many branches.  
  
 
British Army, Royal Air Force, Royal Marines, Royal Navy  
 
British Army, Royal Air Force, Royal Marines, Royal Navy  
Line 17: Line 17:
 
Records of hospitals: Chelsea, Greenwich, Kilmainham  
 
Records of hospitals: Chelsea, Greenwich, Kilmainham  
  
==== Online records&nbsp;<br> ====
+
==== Online records  ====
  
The National Archives in England is where the British Military Records are located.&nbsp; They can be looked at and copied at their office&nbsp;at Kew, Surrey, England.&nbsp; Their website also contains an index to many of their British Military Records and some can be downloaded for a fee through their catalog.[http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp?txtSearchTerm=Smith&txtFirstDate=&txtLastDate=&txtRestriction=WO&hdnSortType=Reference TNA catalog]&nbsp; The Class Reference WO stands for War Office and can be put into the catalog under Department or Series Code.&nbsp; This will separate out the British Military records from the other records.  
+
The National Archives in England is where the British Military Records are located. They can be looked at and copied at their officeat Kew, Surrey, England. Their website also contains an index to many of their British Military Records and some can be downloaded for a fee through their catalog.[http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp?txtSearchTerm=Smith&txtFirstDate=&txtLastDate=&txtRestriction=WO&hdnSortType=Reference TNA catalog] The Class Reference WO stands for War Office and can be put into the catalog under Department or Series Code. This will separate out the British Military records from the other records.  
  
<br>
+
*Findmypast.co.uk has the following indexes for British Military: [http://www.findmypast.co.uk/MilitaryStartSearch.jsp findmypast]
  
Findmypast.co.uk has the following indexes for British Military: [http://www.findmypast.co.uk/MilitaryStartSearch.jsp findmypast]
+
Soldiers Died in the Great War 1914-1919<br> National Roll of the Great War 1914-1918<br> De Ruvigny's Roll of Honour 1914-1918<br> Royal Naval Division 1914-1919<br> Army Roll of Honour 1939-1945<br> Armed forces births 1761-1994<br> Armed forces marriages 1818-1994<br> Armed forces deaths 1796-1994<br> Waterloo Medal Roll 1815<br> Other army lists/roll calls 1656-1888
  
<br>
+
*Ancestry.co.uk has the following: [http://www.ancestryinstitution.com/search/locality/dbpage.aspx?tp=3257&p=3251&categoryFilterID=39&showPaging=true Ancestry]
 
+
Soldiers Died in the Great War 1914-1919<br>National Roll of the Great War 1914-1918
+
 
+
De Ruvigny's Roll of Honour 1914-1918 <br>Royal Naval Division 1914-1919
+
 
+
Army Roll of Honour 1939-1945<br>Armed forces births 1761-1994 <br>Armed forces marriages 1818-1994 <br>Armed forces deaths 1796-1994
+
 
+
Waterloo Medal Roll 1815
+
 
+
Other army lists/roll calls 1656-1888
+
 
+
<br>
+
 
+
Ancestry.co.uk has the following: [http://www.ancestryinstitution.com/search/locality/dbpage.aspx?tp=3257&p=3251&categoryFilterID=39&showPaging=true Ancestry]  
+
  
 
Babergh Hundred Military Survey of 1522 <br>British and German Deserters, Dischargees, and POW's Who May Have Remained in Canada and the USA, 1774-1783. Part One and Two <br>British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 <br>British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 <br>British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 <br>British Commonwealth War Graves Registers, 1914-1918 <br>British Naval Biographical Dictionary, 1849 <br>Charterhouse Register 1872-1910 <br>Commissioned Sea Officers of the Royal Navy, 1660-1815 <br>England, The National Roll of the Great War, 1914-1918 <br>Great Britain Army War List, January 1893 <br>Great Britain, Royal Naval Division Casualties of The Great War, 1914-1924 <br>Indian Army Quarterly List for 1 January 1912 <br>UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945 <br>UK, British Army Prisoners of War, 1939-1945 <br>UK, De Ruvigny's Roll of Honour, 1914-1924 <br>UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 <br>WWII United News Newsreels, 1942-1946 <br><br>  
 
Babergh Hundred Military Survey of 1522 <br>British and German Deserters, Dischargees, and POW's Who May Have Remained in Canada and the USA, 1774-1783. Part One and Two <br>British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 <br>British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 <br>British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 <br>British Commonwealth War Graves Registers, 1914-1918 <br>British Naval Biographical Dictionary, 1849 <br>Charterhouse Register 1872-1910 <br>Commissioned Sea Officers of the Royal Navy, 1660-1815 <br>England, The National Roll of the Great War, 1914-1918 <br>Great Britain Army War List, January 1893 <br>Great Britain, Royal Naval Division Casualties of The Great War, 1914-1924 <br>Indian Army Quarterly List for 1 January 1912 <br>UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945 <br>UK, British Army Prisoners of War, 1939-1945 <br>UK, De Ruvigny's Roll of Honour, 1914-1924 <br>UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 <br>WWII United News Newsreels, 1942-1946 <br><br>  
  
Books on the British Military: Try this link [https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Tracing_Immigrants_Origin_Military_Records In Search of the Fornlorn Hope]
+
Books on the British Military: Try this link [[Tracing_Immigrants_Origin_Military_Records|In Search of the Fornlorn Hope]  
  
 
== Census  ==
 
== Census  ==
Line 49: Line 35:
 
The census records can show Irish by listing their birthplace. All the census records from 1841-1911 will show a birthplace of Ireland or a specific place in Ireland that the person was born.  
 
The census records can show Irish by listing their birthplace. All the census records from 1841-1911 will show a birthplace of Ireland or a specific place in Ireland that the person was born.  
  
For more indepth information on Census for England and Wales, try our wiki under [[England Census|England Census]]  
+
For more in-depth information on Census for Wales, try our wiki under [[Wales Census]]  
  
The census of&nbsp;Wales is available online from '''1841-1901''' at these websites:  
+
The census of Wales is available on-line from '''1841-1911''' at these websites:  
  
[http://www.findmypast.co.uk/ www.findmypast.co.uk/]  
+
*[http://www.findmypast.co.uk/ Find My Past.co.uk/]
  
[http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk www.thegenealogist.co.uk]  
+
*[http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk The Genealogist.co.uk]
  
[http://www.ancestryinstitution.com www.ancestryinstitution.com]
+
The census of Wales is available on-line for '''1841, 1861 and 1871''' at this website:  
  
The census of&nbsp;Wales is available online for '''1911''' at this websites:<br>[http://www.findmypast.co.uk www.findmypast.co.uk]  
+
[http://www.britishorigins.com British Origins.com]  
  
The census of&nbsp;Wales is available online for '''1841, 1861 and 1871''' at this website:  
+
The census of Wales is available on-line for '''1841 and 1861''' at this website:  
  
[http://www.britishorigins.com www.britishorigins.com]
+
[https://www.familysearch.org/#form=catalog FamilySearch.org/#form=catalog]  
 
+
The census of&nbsp;Wales is available online for '''1841 and&nbsp;1861''' at this website:
+
 
+
[https://www.familysearch.org/#form=catalog www.familysearch.org/#form=catalog]<br>
+
  
 
==== Family History Library  ====
 
==== Family History Library  ====
  
The Family History Library has the census of '''1841-1901''' on microfilm and for freeaccess of the above websites with many indexes of the census '''1841-1901'''.&nbsp; The Library also has some pre-1841 census records for&nbsp;Wales that will have Irish listed. look at [https://www.familysearch.org/#form=catalog www.familysearch.org ]at the Family History Library Catalog
+
The Family History Library has the census of '''1841-1901''' on microfilm and for free access of the above websites with many indexes of the census '''1841-1901'''. The Library also has some pre-1841 census records for Wales that will have Irish listed. look at [https://www.familysearch.org/#form=catalog FamilySearch.org] at the Family History Library Catalog  
  
 
== Church Records  ==
 
== Church Records  ==
  
For more indepth information on Church Records for Wales, try our wiki under England Church Records: [https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/England_Church_Records [England Church Records]  
+
For more in-depth information on Church Records for Wales, try our wiki under England Church Records: [[England_Church_Records|England Church Records]  
  
<br>
+
Church records are plentiful in Wales from 1538 to the present. 1538 is when parish registers of the Church of England were required to be kept on parchment and the records in most parishes still exist. Other religions are known as Non-Conformists and good records have been kept. Since the higher percentage of the population of Irish were Catholic, the church records of the Catholic Church must be highly considered. The church records for all religions can encompass Births, Baptisms, Confirmations, Marriages, Deaths, Burials, Monumental Inscriptions, Minutes from meetings, business records, tithing, rates, payments, attendance, members, church histories. Our listing here is to direct to Births, Baptisms, Marriages, Deaths, and Burials under each religion shown.  
 
+
Church&nbsp;records are plentiful in Wales1538-present.&nbsp;&nbsp;1538 is&nbsp;when parish registers of the Church of England&nbsp;were required to be kept on parchment and&nbsp;the records in most parishes still exist.&nbsp; Other religions are known as Non-Conformists and&nbsp;good records have&nbsp;been kept. Since the higher percentage of the population of Irish were&nbsp;Catholic,&nbsp;the&nbsp;church records of the Catholic Church&nbsp;must&nbsp;be highly&nbsp;considered.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The church records for all religions can encompass Births, Baptisms, Confirmations, Marriages, Deaths, Burials,&nbsp;Monumental Inscriptions,&nbsp;Minutes from meetings, business records, tithing, rates, payments, attendance, members, church histories.&nbsp; Our listing here is to direct&nbsp;to Births, Baptisms, Marriages, Deaths, and Burials under each religion shown.  
+
 
+
<br>
+
  
 
How do you find the records and access them?  
 
How do you find the records and access them?  
  
Online
+
*On-line
  
Record Office, Repository or&nbsp;Library  
+
*Record Office, Repository or Library
  
Original Church  
+
*Original Church
  
 
== Civil Registration  ==
 
== Civil Registration  ==
  
For more indepth information on Civil Registration for&nbsp;Wales, try our wiki under [[England Civil Registration|civil registration]]  
+
For more in-depth information on Civil Registration for Wales, try our wiki under [[Wales Civil Registration]]  
  
<br>Civil registration for England and Wales in available is some way in an index form from 1 July 1837 to the present.  
+
Civil registration for Wales is available is some way in an index form from 1 July 1837 to the present.  
  
 
Civil registration is the recording of birth, marriage and deaths in a certificate form.  
 
Civil registration is the recording of birth, marriage and deaths in a certificate form.  
  
Certificates can be obtained from:  
+
Certificates can be purchased from: [http://www.gro.gov.uk www.gro.gov.uk]
  
[http://www.gro.gov.uk www.gro.gov.uk]
+
The cost depends on how quickly and if you have a reference to the certificate.  
 
+
The cost is seven pounds or more depending on how quickly and if you have a reference to the certificate.  
+
 
+
<br>
+
  
 
Indexes to the certificates can be viewed in many ways:  
 
Indexes to the certificates can be viewed in many ways:  
  
Free online index produced by volunteers is:  
+
*Free on-line index produced by volunteers:
  
[http://www.freebmd.org.uk www.freebmd.org.uk]&nbsp;&nbsp; This index is incomplete has over 230 million records  
+
[http://www.freebmd.org.uk www.freebmd.org.uk] - This index is incomplete has over 230 million records  
  
<br>
+
*Other indexes for pay include:
  
Other indexes for pay include
+
[http://www.ancestry.co.uk www.ancestry.co.uk] - This index is very complete and offers better coverage of indexes.&nbsp; Easy quick searches for larger periods of time.
  
[http://www.ancestry.co.uk www.ancestry.co.uk]&nbsp; This index is very complete and offers better coverage of indexes.&nbsp; Easy quick searches for larger periods of time.  
+
[http://www.findmypast.co.uk www.findmypast.co.uk] - This index is complete. This index is lacking in larger period of time searches. Takes longer to search, but can be done.  
  
[http://www.findmypast.co.uk www.findmypast.co.uk]&nbsp; This index is complete.&nbsp; This index is lacking in larger period of time searches.&nbsp; Takes longer to search, but can be done.
+
[http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk www.thegenealogist.co.uk] - The index is complete, but must be searched quarter by quarter for each year of interest.  
 
+
[http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk www.thegenealogist.co.uk]&nbsp; The index is complete, but must be searched quarter by quarter for each year of interest.
+
  
 
== Occupation  ==
 
== Occupation  ==
  
Occupations and finding work was necessary for the Irish to survive or have a better way of life.&nbsp; Many Irish came to&nbsp;Wales looking for work.&nbsp; The following link provides information on [[England Occupations|England Occupational Records]]
+
Occupations and finding work was necessary for the Irish to survive or have a better way of life. Many Irish came to Wales looking for work.  
  
 
== Probate  ==
 
== Probate  ==
  
The wiki for England has been provided with links to probate records for each county.&nbsp; Search under the county and the probate records and this will lead to indexes and probate records of wills, administrations, act books, etc. This link takes you to the England page that show a map of all the counties of England. For probate click on the county of interest and then click on probate records. [https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Portal%3AEngland [England probate records]] All the Wales probate records pre-1858 can be seen at this website: [http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&lng=en [National Library of Wales]]
+
The wiki for Wales has been provided with links to probate records for each county. Search under the county and the probate records and this will lead to indexes and probate records of wills, administrations, act books, etc. This link takes you to the Wales page that show a map of all the counties of Wales.  
 +
 
 +
All the Wales probate records pre-1858 can be seen at this website: [http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&lng=en National Library of Wales]  
  
[[Category:Irish]]
+
[[Category:Irish]] [[Category:Wales|Irish]]
[[Category:Wales|Irish]]
+

Latest revision as of 14:00, 2 December 2012

Contents

Notes on Immigration

The Irish emigration to Wales was quite easy. The ports in Ireland are not far from English and some Welsh ports. Trade was quite common between Ireland and England and Wales. Liverpool was a magnate for the Irish and Liverpool is not far from Wales. Work was available in England and Wales. Many English had property in Ireland. The Church of Ireland is the same religion as the Church of England and The Church in Wales. The British Military enlisted Irish. As a result, the Irish did settle in England and Wales. Since Ireland was part of the British Isles, it is difficult to trace the leaving of Irish emigrants to Wales through any passenger lists. It was easy to get on a ship and leave for England or Wales and not be traced.

Families who were Catholic may show up in Catholic records in Wales. Families with Irish Surnames can show up in many different types of records. See records below.

How to Use This Page

This page is designed to help you find information quickly. Links have been put in at the beginning of each source to help you find more in-depth information. These links will help you gain an understanding of the record type. On this page, the other information listed in these sources can help you locate information quickly and guide you to websites or where information can be found. The internet is becoming a great resource and help to to those pursuing genealogical research and Irish emigrants. The wiki and these sources should be a useful guide.

British Military

For more in-depth information on British Military for Ireland, try our wiki under British Military Records. Many Irish people have joined the Military and this Military covers many branches.

British Army, Royal Air Force, Royal Marines, Royal Navy

Records of hospitals: Chelsea, Greenwich, Kilmainham

Online records

The National Archives in England is where the British Military Records are located. They can be looked at and copied at their officeat Kew, Surrey, England. Their website also contains an index to many of their British Military Records and some can be downloaded for a fee through their catalog.TNA catalog The Class Reference WO stands for War Office and can be put into the catalog under Department or Series Code. This will separate out the British Military records from the other records.

  • Findmypast.co.uk has the following indexes for British Military: findmypast

Soldiers Died in the Great War 1914-1919
National Roll of the Great War 1914-1918
De Ruvigny's Roll of Honour 1914-1918
Royal Naval Division 1914-1919
Army Roll of Honour 1939-1945
Armed forces births 1761-1994
Armed forces marriages 1818-1994
Armed forces deaths 1796-1994
Waterloo Medal Roll 1815
Other army lists/roll calls 1656-1888

  • Ancestry.co.uk has the following: Ancestry

Babergh Hundred Military Survey of 1522
British and German Deserters, Dischargees, and POW's Who May Have Remained in Canada and the USA, 1774-1783. Part One and Two
British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
British Commonwealth War Graves Registers, 1914-1918
British Naval Biographical Dictionary, 1849
Charterhouse Register 1872-1910
Commissioned Sea Officers of the Royal Navy, 1660-1815
England, The National Roll of the Great War, 1914-1918
Great Britain Army War List, January 1893
Great Britain, Royal Naval Division Casualties of The Great War, 1914-1924
Indian Army Quarterly List for 1 January 1912
UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945
UK, British Army Prisoners of War, 1939-1945
UK, De Ruvigny's Roll of Honour, 1914-1924
UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
WWII United News Newsreels, 1942-1946

Books on the British Military: Try this link [[Tracing_Immigrants_Origin_Military_Records|In Search of the Fornlorn Hope]

Census

The census records can show Irish by listing their birthplace. All the census records from 1841-1911 will show a birthplace of Ireland or a specific place in Ireland that the person was born.

For more in-depth information on Census for Wales, try our wiki under Wales Census

The census of Wales is available on-line from 1841-1911 at these websites:

The census of Wales is available on-line for 1841, 1861 and 1871 at this website:

British Origins.com

The census of Wales is available on-line for 1841 and 1861 at this website:

FamilySearch.org/#form=catalog

Family History Library

The Family History Library has the census of 1841-1901 on microfilm and for free access of the above websites with many indexes of the census 1841-1901. The Library also has some pre-1841 census records for Wales that will have Irish listed. look at FamilySearch.org at the Family History Library Catalog

Church Records

For more in-depth information on Church Records for Wales, try our wiki under England Church Records: [[England_Church_Records|England Church Records]

Church records are plentiful in Wales from 1538 to the present. 1538 is when parish registers of the Church of England were required to be kept on parchment and the records in most parishes still exist. Other religions are known as Non-Conformists and good records have been kept. Since the higher percentage of the population of Irish were Catholic, the church records of the Catholic Church must be highly considered. The church records for all religions can encompass Births, Baptisms, Confirmations, Marriages, Deaths, Burials, Monumental Inscriptions, Minutes from meetings, business records, tithing, rates, payments, attendance, members, church histories. Our listing here is to direct to Births, Baptisms, Marriages, Deaths, and Burials under each religion shown.

How do you find the records and access them?

  • On-line
  • Record Office, Repository or Library
  • Original Church

Civil Registration

For more in-depth information on Civil Registration for Wales, try our wiki under Wales Civil Registration

Civil registration for Wales is available is some way in an index form from 1 July 1837 to the present.

Civil registration is the recording of birth, marriage and deaths in a certificate form.

Certificates can be purchased from: www.gro.gov.uk

The cost depends on how quickly and if you have a reference to the certificate.

Indexes to the certificates can be viewed in many ways:

  • Free on-line index produced by volunteers:

www.freebmd.org.uk - This index is incomplete has over 230 million records

  • Other indexes for pay include:

www.ancestry.co.uk - This index is very complete and offers better coverage of indexes.  Easy quick searches for larger periods of time.

www.findmypast.co.uk - This index is complete. This index is lacking in larger period of time searches. Takes longer to search, but can be done.

www.thegenealogist.co.uk - The index is complete, but must be searched quarter by quarter for each year of interest.

Occupation

Occupations and finding work was necessary for the Irish to survive or have a better way of life. Many Irish came to Wales looking for work.

Probate

The wiki for Wales has been provided with links to probate records for each county. Search under the county and the probate records and this will lead to indexes and probate records of wills, administrations, act books, etc. This link takes you to the Wales page that show a map of all the counties of Wales.

All the Wales probate records pre-1858 can be seen at this website: National Library of Wales


 

Need additional research help? Contact our research help specialists.

Need wiki, indexing, or website help? Contact our product teams.


Did you find this article helpful?

You're invited to explain your rating on the discussion page (you must be signed in).

  • This page was last modified on 2 December 2012, at 14:00.
  • This page has been accessed 1,020 times.