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=== Place Template ===
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=== Place Template ===
  
 
The template is fine but for some reason if it is used out of England, the template listing pick up all England's categories only. I looked at the code and I don't see how it can be directed to pick up other than England's. Would like to add this to Pennsylvania and Maryland but Poor Law Unions and Nobility are two topics that do not belong in either place. Is there a way to tweak Place template further so it will pick up specific USA's states as well as other countries? [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 17:11, 24 July 2009 (UTC)  
 
The template is fine but for some reason if it is used out of England, the template listing pick up all England's categories only. I looked at the code and I don't see how it can be directed to pick up other than England's. Would like to add this to Pennsylvania and Maryland but Poor Law Unions and Nobility are two topics that do not belong in either place. Is there a way to tweak Place template further so it will pick up specific USA's states as well as other countries? [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 17:11, 24 July 2009 (UTC)  
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:Yes another parameter could be added and used with if statements to turn on/off different topics depending on the jurisdiction. Is there a definitive list of topics for all places and then optional ones which are specific to certain places, for example you've said that ''Poor Union Laws'' and ''Nobility'' should only be used for places in England? --[[User:CottrellS|Steve]] 22:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 
:Yes another parameter could be added and used with if statements to turn on/off different topics depending on the jurisdiction. Is there a definitive list of topics for all places and then optional ones which are specific to certain places, for example you've said that ''Poor Union Laws'' and ''Nobility'' should only be used for places in England? --[[User:CottrellS|Steve]] 22:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
  
::OK I came up with another solution. The template will now check to see if the article exists before display a link for it in the navbox. Please let me know if this meets your needs. --[[User:CottrellS|Steve]] 23:53, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
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::OK I came up with another solution. The template will now check to see if the article exists before display a link for it in the navbox. Please let me know if this meets your needs. --[[User:CottrellS|Steve]] 23:53, 24 July 2009 (UTC)  
 
:::It worked the way it should be. Now to figure out the "Infobox" stuff. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 00:51, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 
:::It worked the way it should be. Now to figure out the "Infobox" stuff. [[User:Dsammy|dsammy]] 00:51, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
  
=== Topics that use a different naming style ===
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=== Topics that use a different naming style ===
I noticed the [[Community Meeting Agenda 28 July 2009#Place_Template|Community Meeting Agenda 28 July 2009]] mentioned this template and a discussion about the style to be used when naming article about Native American Indians. Once the working group has made their decision, I suggest it is noted in the [[Style Guide]] and this template can be amended to pick up articles that adhere to the approved style. --[[User:CottrellS|Steve]] 18:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
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I noticed the [[Community Meeting Agenda 28 July 2009#Place_Template|Community Meeting Agenda 28 July 2009]] mentioned this template and a discussion about the style to be used when naming article about Native American Indians. Once the working group has made their decision, I suggest it is noted in the [[Style Guide]] and this template can be amended to pick up articles that adhere to the approved style. --[[User:CottrellS|Steve]] 18:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
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=== Order of the topics  ===
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In general it makes sense to have most of the topics listed in alphabetical order in this template. It is easy to understand and follow that way. It makes relatively little difference whether '''Directories''' are used before or after '''Obituraries'''. And the bulk of our Wiki pages come from research outlines that had most topics in alphabetical order.
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However, two topics are special cases. '''Search Strategies''' and '''Record Selection Table''' are not like the other topics. It makes little sense to present these topics near the end of the alphabet when their topic needs attention early in the research process. These two topics were presented at the front of all others in the old paper research outlines. Their value is diminished when they are not referenced at the start of the research process.
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The '''Search Strategies''' topic teaches how to approach research in general and begins to lay out the use of the other alphabetical topics. Therefore, it logically belongs at the front of the other topics.
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The '''Record Selection Table''' serves as a sort of combined Table of Content and Index guiding readers who are not yet familiar with which topics will produce what information about their ancestors. Again, it greatly diminished the value of this topic to bury it near the end of the alphabet.
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Readers need to see these topics right up front. Please allow them to appear in the order where they fit logically, and as teaching tools about the uses of the other topics, at the front of the other alphabetical topics.
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[[User:Diltsgd|Diltsgd]] 20:52, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Revision as of 20:52, 1 August 2009

Place Template

The template is fine but for some reason if it is used out of England, the template listing pick up all England's categories only. I looked at the code and I don't see how it can be directed to pick up other than England's. Would like to add this to Pennsylvania and Maryland but Poor Law Unions and Nobility are two topics that do not belong in either place. Is there a way to tweak Place template further so it will pick up specific USA's states as well as other countries? dsammy 17:11, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes another parameter could be added and used with if statements to turn on/off different topics depending on the jurisdiction. Is there a definitive list of topics for all places and then optional ones which are specific to certain places, for example you've said that Poor Union Laws and Nobility should only be used for places in England? --Steve 22:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
OK I came up with another solution. The template will now check to see if the article exists before display a link for it in the navbox. Please let me know if this meets your needs. --Steve 23:53, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
It worked the way it should be. Now to figure out the "Infobox" stuff. dsammy 00:51, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Topics that use a different naming style

I noticed the Community Meeting Agenda 28 July 2009 mentioned this template and a discussion about the style to be used when naming article about Native American Indians. Once the working group has made their decision, I suggest it is noted in the Style Guide and this template can be amended to pick up articles that adhere to the approved style. --Steve 18:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Order of the topics

In general it makes sense to have most of the topics listed in alphabetical order in this template. It is easy to understand and follow that way. It makes relatively little difference whether Directories are used before or after Obituraries. And the bulk of our Wiki pages come from research outlines that had most topics in alphabetical order.

However, two topics are special cases. Search Strategies and Record Selection Table are not like the other topics. It makes little sense to present these topics near the end of the alphabet when their topic needs attention early in the research process. These two topics were presented at the front of all others in the old paper research outlines. Their value is diminished when they are not referenced at the start of the research process.

The Search Strategies topic teaches how to approach research in general and begins to lay out the use of the other alphabetical topics. Therefore, it logically belongs at the front of the other topics.

The Record Selection Table serves as a sort of combined Table of Content and Index guiding readers who are not yet familiar with which topics will produce what information about their ancestors. Again, it greatly diminished the value of this topic to bury it near the end of the alphabet.

Readers need to see these topics right up front. Please allow them to appear in the order where they fit logically, and as teaching tools about the uses of the other topics, at the front of the other alphabetical topics.

Diltsgd 20:52, 1 August 2009 (UTC)