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== Problems with Templates and Image Maps ==
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== Brackets Problem ==
  
Hi Steve, I am currently involved with an ongoing Massachusetts Wiki Project. David Dilts suggested that I contact you. Lately I have been working on creating some clickable maps. I recently added a clickable map for Plymouth County, Massachusetts (See [[:Template:PlyCoMAmap]]). In the past when I created a clickable map we added the information to a template page because there is so much wiki code associated with the image map. I added the Plymouth County map the same way I have in the past but ran into some unexpected results. I was able to finagle the template page so that it will show the map when users go to the template page. However, if they try to edit the template page, instead of seeing all the wiki code, they see a message "Error: image is invalid or non-existent." If a person was to make any modification to the page and then save, the map will disappear and it is no longer functionable. Can you tell me why we get an error message when we click on edit? Where is all the wiki data used to make the map clickable going? The map continues to works just fine. Should I be doing something different as I add more clickable maps?
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Steve, I have this interesting problem and David Dilts could not help me. He said that for whatever reason, the template cannot handle single brackets. Here is the page: https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Czech_Republic_Getting_Started Down at the bottom are two tips. Tip: Join a Community of Czech researchers! Ask questions, help others, and share your research success on [Facebook] and/or Skype. Tip: For more learning see the tutorials at FamilySearch Learning Center on [Czech Republic Archives]. We cannot get rid of the brackets. These are external links and every time we do single bracket the text disappears. Can you please help me? Thank you. [[User:Pysnaks|Pysnaks]] 22:12, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
  
In addition to what I mentioned above, when I go to the template pages we created for putting our map images on (see [[:Template:MAPlyAbiMap]]), all I see is the name of the image, orientation details, and picture description. Where did our image go? The image no longer shows. The map displays on the Wiki pages we insert the template code on, but the template itself is confusing to me. Any thoughts? I will be adding roughly 300 clickable maps over the next month and want to make sure that I do it the right way. Any help you can give would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. [[User:HarrisonJB|HarrisonJB]] 17:33, 13 September 2012 (UTC)  
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:Hi Sylvie, I have fixed the links in the {{tl|tip}} templates you directed me to on the page [[Czech Republic Getting Started]]. I have also added an example to the template description page to show how this was/can be achieved. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 06:58, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
  
:Hi Jason, the problem with the imagemaps is a [[FamilySearch Wiki:Known Issues#Image_Map_issue|known issue]]. The workaround is to add the [[Magic word]] <nowiki>__</nowiki>NORICHEDITOR<nowiki>__</nowiki> to the template (within noinclude tags), so that the [[Rich Text Editor]] is disabled when you edit the imagemap. I have edited {{tl|PlyCoMAmap}} so that this is now in place. The other template was set-up by [[User:DiltsGD|David]] as a way to add a caption to the image that is displayed on the page [[Abington, Massachusetts]] without subsequent edits removing it. This is another workaround to a problem caused by the [[Rich Text Editor]]. If you want to change this into an imagemap, you will also need to edit the code on the [[Abington, Massachusetts]] so that it just calls the template, stripping away the <nowiki>[[Image:</nowiki> and ]] parts of the code. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 12:32, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
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Thank you very much, Steve. I really appreciate your quick response.[[User:Pysnaks|Pysnaks]] 15:00, 3 April 2013 (UTC)  
  
== England Gazetteers ==
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== Search and replace link ==
  
There still seems to be FHL contributors working on alphabetical listings from a single source conflicting with contributors who have contributed local knowledge of parishes and the record sources - [[Downe, Kent]] - [[Keston, Kent]] - [[Cudham, Kent]] as well as neighbouring parishes all have Online Parish Clerks. Some colleagues are unwilling to take the time and effort to create FamilySearch Wiki content to have gazetteer material entered and conflicting. In some counties large slabs of material exist as parish history which are in fact text from other web sites (including copyright). I have made the point in forum post that an 1848 gazetteer entry may not be useful, a later gazetter may be more informative and the Kent Online Parish Clerk site has even more information including a satellite image and might be a more informative link to include under the "maps and gazetteer" heading rather than dropping gazetteer entries for an entire county into parish history pages. This seems to be a recipe for needless discussion and conflict in every English county. Many English contributors have ceased contributing citing lack of communication from FHL contributors. We do not seem to be any "further forrarder" on this issue than earlier this year or in any of the previous years it has arisen! I think it sad that we are alienating English genealogists and AGRA members through unresolved organisational problems arising from America.If possible could you convey that it might be better to work with an Online Parish Clerk who has invested huge effort in a parish history and records rather than drop in gazetteer material as part of a mechanical process in alphabetical order; the heading gazetteer is also a clue to where such entries should be placed. [[User:DowneOPC|DowneOPC]] 06:37, 18 November 2012 (UTC)  
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Steve, we've found a link on British pages that needs to be deleted and there are a &nbsp;lot of them. We though you could do a search and replace when you have some time. [[Ramsgate Holy Trinity, Kent|Ramsgate]] is a good example. Under Census records, there's a link to the FHC portal that shouldn't be in the Wiki. Hostelery added this to many British pages a year or two ago. The link should only be used in the FHC's and by missionaries, etc. Even though it doesn't work to get you into Ancestry, etc. if you don't already have that access on your computer, the link shouldn't be there. If you can help, I'd greatly appreciate it. [[User:Averyld|averyld]] 18:51, 11 April 2013 (UTC)  
  
:Hi Henry, this issue was discussed during the weekly [[Wiki Contributors Meeting]] on November 8, as a result of [https://www.familysearch.org/learn/forums/en/showthread.php?t=19630 your forum post] on the issue. Those attending the meeting agreed to the points that you raised. Some wondered why the change was not just made and explain in the edit summary or on the article talk page. I sence that UK based contributors are trying to engage with FHL staff about developing pages/edits, but do not receive replies to their questions. Anyhow following the meeting I moved the gazetter text from the history section to the gazetter section of the [[Downe, Kent]] article and left a message on the [[User talk:WrightLG#Downe.2C_Kent|user talk page of the contributor]]. Hopefully the message will get back to the staff at the FHL to be more considerate of the information already developed on a page, before adding additional information. I agree that a multi sourced parish history is preferable to a single source gazetteer extract. Would you and other OPC/AGRA members be willing to help develop the instructions for developing English Parish articles in the [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject English parishes|WikiProject English parishes]]? --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 13:05, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
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:Hi Lynda, I have replaced the majority of all the external links to the FHC Portal to a new article [[Family History Center Portal]]. The [https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/index.php?title=Special:LinkSearch&target=http%3A%2F%2Ffhc.familysearch.org%2F handful remaining] did not match search string wikicode and will be easier to tackle individually. I found that the link in addition to be included on many English parish pages was included in the template used to create the hundreds of FHC pages. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}}
  
<br> Thanks, in answer to your final question I can only speak personally and will try to contribute wherever possible. I lead a group of transcribers. We have 3 parish Cooperative Indexing agreements in place with FamilySearch which await a response from them and we hope to obtain Diocesan permission to add a further parish for agreement to transcribe in 2014. The agreements are taking more than 6 months for FamilySearch to respond to once submitted with both archive and Diocesan approval and support. Wherever possible I try to describe the surviving record which I am permitted to handle in order that the viewer of a microfilm or digitised image can make sense of the images, duplicates and why entries appear out of sequence, gaps and other unique aspects of an individual register.(One Downe register has been bound in a deed which bears no relationship to the parish) As volunteers our priority is to transcribe so that writing parish histories is the latter stage of OPC page development of our site and involves a different type of research in many source materials which we include in our page creation. Any contribution to other media (print and electronic) is a lower priority. FamilySearch material forms a small part of the total parish material; the larger part is on average spread in up to 14 archives for a typical Kent parish. Another high priority is to respond to email requests for assistance in researching within a local district including the parish concerned.
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Steve, thanks so much! [[User:Averyld|averyld]] 22:01, 11 April 2013 (UTC)  
  
I am afraid that in the professional community in England that many contributors have reported negative experiences of trying to contribute and the Americanised format (and language) of the FamilySearch wiki derivative of Wikipedia. Sadly each contributor lost is influential in influencing others. There is an effort in Wikipedia to cover all civil parishes in England and local county initiatives to list places of worship. I would comment that Wikipedia went through this process early in its development; there was an American perception that English contributors were "difficult" to involve or retain. There was likewise an English perception that if contributing became a negative experience it was better not to invest time and effort to see content removed or "put down" by a small clique appearing to dominate. Here the FHL contributors need not to alienate or appear to be more influential but to enter into discussion about use of a source to complement the existing contributions. Gazetteers (plural) are cited on all Kent Online Parish Clerk page creations which begs&nbsp; the question why not link in the relevant heading to that available online source rather than paste material for one gazetteer only?
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== Template Categories  ==
  
== Template on a non-activated category. ==
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Thank you so much for the tip about how to deal with these with noinlcude. I did notice the problem but had not gone to our best source, you, to get help. Thanks so much will go back to as many as I can to correct. [[User:Sandralpond|Sandralpond]] 20:51, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
  
The template page [[Template:Xyzy]] is on a non-activated Category page: Category:Script templates. Do we need it? Or do you want this category activitied. [[User:Sandralpond|Sandralpond]] 15:28, 1 December 2012 (UTC)  
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:Hi Sandra, I have changed some myself as it was causing some issues with pages, {{tl|Infobox/row}}, {{tl|Infobox US State}} and {{tl|Infobox country}} being the main ones. For some it will not cause display issues, only add a template category to the page that is not needed. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 20:54, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
  
:Thanks Sandra, the template is needed/used and the category is appropriate. I have today set it up. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 14:06, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
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Thank you I am learning a lot from this. Another question. Is the following really a template or just a holding page for a future template. When I try to put the noinclude it will not stay and if it put the {{ on it is red. Think I will need to remove these categories. Thanks so much. [[User:Sandralpond|Sandralpond]] 14:20, 2 May 2013 (UTC)  
  
== Thank you ==
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:Hi Sandra, it's not clear to me what your question is. You ask " Is the following really a template or just a holding page for a future template." Would you please clarify or link to the object/page in question. Thanks. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 16:09, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
  
Steve thanks so much for the FA change. [[User:HoleDL|Dawne]] 14:41, 10 December 2012 (UTC)  
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Sorry forgot to put in the link: [[Template:LondonStDunstanEastChurch]] There are many many of this type pages but they don't appear to me to be real templates. [[User:Sandralpond|Sandralpond]] 18:46, 2 May 2013 (UTC)  
  
== FHL template for an author search?  ==
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:HI Sandra, they are templates but created for a specific purpose. They are used as a workaround to the problem of the rich text editor removes captions from images. The category that has been created for them is [[:Category:Ampersand avoidance templates]]. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|
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[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 12:59, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
  
Hi, Steve. Is there an FHL template where a search can be done by name of the author? I want to be able to search for ward records, all of which have the beginning of "Church of Jesus Christ..." and end with the specific ward. That would make it easy to change ward by ward. Any ideas? [[User:AdkinsWH|AdkinsWH]] 02:59, 13 December 2012 (UTC)  
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Great, thanks so much. Will use it for them. [[User:Sandralpond|Sandralpond]] 13:17, 3 May 2013 (UTC)  
  
:Hi Wilma, I have briefly looked at this issue.It may be possible to add the functionality to the {{tl|FHL}} template, but more investigation needs to be undertaken done before I can answer and hopefully implement your request. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 13:49, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
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Hello Steve, We just removed a strange topic on the Baden page&nbsp;sidebar&nbsp;but were told later that you probably should have done that.&nbsp; If so, It was for Merchant Marine and Heraldic visitations.&nbsp; Has the removal affected others.&nbsp; In the past it hasn't but perhaps this changed.  
  
::Thanks, Steve! [[User:AdkinsWH|AdkinsWH]] 21:03, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
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Sonja
  
Hi, again, Steve. Any progress on this? I'd like to search for authors like "Salt Lake City 4th Ward Utah." I think we don't have to include the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." that precedes it. Thanks again. [[User:AdkinsWH|AdkinsWH]] 18:50, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
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== FHL template place link not working  ==
  
== England Parish Histories  ==
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Hi, Steve, I've tried a link using the FHL Template for a place search: {{FHL|Utah, Beaver|place|disp=county items}}. What have I done wrong? I get an "Oops" [[User:AdkinsWH|AdkinsWH]] 21:44, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
  
2012 was a good year for the Suffolk Parish pages. There have been a few instances where volunteers have sought to tear down what I have built rather than improve it. What volunteers I have come across have no interest in collaborating, rather they have an agenda of copying and pasting similar dialogue on every page. What they are copying and pasting is rather weak material. Parish History Section - I cannot accept that a short one or two sentences with a link to a gazetteer should be in anyway be considered a parish history. The approach to the Parish History Section is very simple. Enter websites, links and references in the body of the page and once a sufficient amount of material has been found, then a history can be written based on those sources from a genealogist perspective. A new wiki article should be created, [[England - Writing a Parish History]]. This short gazetteer entry currently being introduced should be moved or put in the Maps and Gazetteers Section. Pertaining to Suffolk pages I noticed recently that someone is entering those gazetteer entries again and at the same time removing the link to the Suffolk Gazetteer page. Could you use the text replace function to place a link to the Suffolk Gazetteer page in the Maps and Gazetteer section for every parish in Suffolk? [[User:Donjgen|Donjgen]] 18:36, 26 December 2012 (UTC) I'll also place a copy of this over on [[User talk:MannAE]] page.
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:I think this is a bigger issue than you first thought. It looks to me as if the format of URL for FHLC searches has changed, and that the {{tl|FHL}} template need a overhaul so that the links in the wiki using this template will work. In short it's not something you have done, but changes made by the FamilySearch engineers. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 20:47, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
  
:Hi Don, I agree that there is room for improvement in the way that contributors work together and not at cross purposes to each other. I'm sure that the majority of wiki contributor have the same goal to improve the content of the wiki and I really feel that [[WikiProject]] pages can help with this by setting out long term vision for a collection of similar pages, for example [[Suffolk Parishes]]. Contributors by reviewing the project page information can then be directed to articles, like the one you suggested, so that a consistent approach is taken with developing similar pages. The Parish History section and what kind of content should be placed here is a good example of where this collaboration could achieve much good. I will look into restoring the links to the [[Suffolk Gazetteers]] page. Before I take action I will investigate how best to do this. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 13:58, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
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::Not good news. So does the FHL template need updating? Or is it fixable by us — or more accurately — you? [[User:AdkinsWH|AdkinsWH]] 04:13, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
  
Hi Steve: I could take the time to create a [[WikiProject - Suffolk Parishes]] but I have seen such anemic participation. Since I am focusing on Suffolk, I would expect participation from people in East Anglia. There needs to be a person in East Anglia that would promote participation.<br> What are the goals? I haven't seen clear goals. I see some people have a goal of putting a short snippet of a gazetteer in the parish history section with a link for every parish in England. I see that some have a goal of putting the same template in the census section of every parish in England. I see some people have a goal of recording all the possible online church records for parishes in specific counties in England. There are only a few that have focused on a single parish or parishes. The goals for the [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject English parishes]] need to be specific. This idea of going from parish to parish putting the same snippet of information is a poor goal. Any body can goggle any parish in England and get all the information they need. How are the England parish pages going to be different? How is it going to be different from genuki? After years of slow growth it should become apparent that a different approach should be taken. This lack of England participation has to tell us that [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject English parishes]] needs to have specific goals that will lead to more participation. '''WikiProject_English_parishes''' pages needs to be rewritten and redeveloped. People should put there focus on a specific county or district. Thats my take on what I see [[User:Donjgen|Donjgen]] 20:48, 5 January 2013 (UTC)  
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::Steve, do you suggest I just start direct linking to place instead of the template? [[User:AdkinsWH|AdkinsWH]] 23:35, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
  
== Projects  ==
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::Steve - you are wonderful! the place search is working again, and I understand you are working hard on some of the other searches. Can't thank you enough! [[User:AdkinsWH|AdkinsWH]] 21:41, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
  
Steve, I'm trying to update the status of wiki projects. &nbsp;I'm assuming that the England and English Parishes projects are ongoing. &nbsp;Is that correct? &nbsp;Percent complete? [[User:Averyld|averyld]] 16:26, 28 December 2012 (UTC)  
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Hi Steve, is the linking to the catalogue changed permaantly. Its been dysfunctional for a long time. I have about 100 links using the {{FHL|England%2C+Suffolk%2C+Badingham|subject|disp=Badingham}} format <nowiki>{{FHL|England%2C+Suffolk%2C+Badingham|subject|disp=Badingham}} </nowiki><br> It looks like its not a good idea to link to the catalog anymore. Maybe will have to wait till the Beta period ends, which appears not to be anytime soon. [[User:Donjgen|Donjgen]] 04:13, 14 July 2013 (UTC)  
  
Also, Wales and New Common Taxonomies [[User:Averyld|averyld]] 23:10, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
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== Template help  ==
  
:Hi Lynda, yes these projects are all ongoing. The [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject England|England]], [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject English parishes|English parishes]] and [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject Wales|Wales]] WikiProjects are all similar in that the purpose of these projects is to improve the articles about these localities. They are very hard therefore to say how complete they are. Tasks within a project can more easily be stated as x% complete.
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Steve, could you take a look at the formula over at&nbsp;my [https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/User_talk:MannAE#Help_me_create_template Help_me_create_template]&nbsp;page? You made a few adjustments while at WDYTYA conference, but I have not been able to remember what adjustment you made, and I can't get the template to work. I need help.[[User:MannAE|Alan]] 05:47, 10 June 2013 (UTC)  
:The [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject New Common Taxonomy|WikiProject New Common Taxonomy]] is in my mind, more of a foundational document, setting out the top-level categories to be used for research topics. It was renamed as a WikiProject by [[User:JensenFA|Fran Jensen]] and although I agree it belongs in the [[FamilySearch Wiki namespace]], I think it falls more into the realm of [[FamilySearch Wiki:Policies|policy]] - meaning that it defines how the taxonomy is organised/to be used in the wiki rather than being a project in which a goal is to be achieved.  
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:Further to our discussion yesterday, I have created the {{tl|WikiProject status}} template. There are still some tidying up to do around this template, but you can start using them if you like. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 14:12, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
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Steve, thanks so much for this information and the templates look great! &nbsp;I hope you have a small idea of how much you are appreciated! [[User:Averyld|averyld]] 18:36, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
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== Idaho page I messed it up  ==
  
:For the inactive template, the page is&nbsp;[[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProjects Seeking Contributors/Inactive|FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProjects Seeking Contributors/Inactive]]. I'm not sure if doing it as a sub page is the best way to go, but that's how it is for now. [[User:Averyld|averyld]] 18:39, 17 January 2013 (UTC) &nbsp;Also, I put the template on the [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject Alabama|Alabama]] page and it looks like it didn't add it to the Inactive category.
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Hi, Steve, I'm screaming for help. Somehow, I made a serious mistake on the Idaho page this afternoon (using wyzer17 username). The top of the page should have the image, the online collections banner, and probably the counties list. Then below the info box, the text should fill more space right to left. I tried undoing, but not soon enough. So I was trying and trying, but only filled up a lot do edit history.  
  
::Hi Lynda, the categories associated with the template {{tl|WikiProject status}} are now being added when the template is used. I think setting up the list of inactive projects as a sub-page is the way to go. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 22:04, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
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Hope you can once again come to the rescue. I'll be at the meeting tomorrow, but then out of town until next Tuesday.  
  
:::Thank you! &nbsp;Thank you [[User:Averyld|averyld]] 22:27, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
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Thank you, thank you, thank you! Wilma Adkins 10:34 pm, 23 July, 2013. My iPad doesn't have tildes.
  
== Thank you ==
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== Welcoming Committee ==
  
Thank you Steve I did not understand, thank you for your help {{unsigned|Jenson1| 16:38, 6 February 2013 (UTC)}}
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Hi Steve,  
  
== Categories that don't show up in edit  ==
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As the new lead for the welcoming committee I wanted to get acquainted with the other members. I read your User Page and am impressed with your knowledge and experience. It is my hope that you will remain an active member of the committee. Please let me know your intention.
  
We, the category committee, are working on cleaning up the Categories. One items that is a problem for us is the few categories that don't show up in edit so we can fix or remove them. Example is Category:Mexican_Family_History_Centers it has two pages [[Puebla Mexico Mayorazgo Family History Center]] and [[Tapachula Mexico Izapa Family History Center]]. Since the category is a duplicate of Category:Mexico_Family_History_Centers. I tried to remove the two page from Category:Mexican Family History Centers but they will not show in edit. Have a few others. Would like to ask if there is something we can do to understand this and work with it. [[User:Sandralpond|Sandralpond]] 03:49, 7 February 2013 (UTC)  
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Sincerely,<br>[[User:Parrisl|Parrisl]] 21:33, 29 July 2013 (UTC)<br>Welcoming Committee Lead &nbsp;
  
:Hi Sandra, the pages in question were being added to this category via the <tt>location</tt> parameter in the {{tl|FHCpage}} template. By changing the parameter value from <tt>Mexican</tt> to <tt>Mexico</tt>, this changed the category, clearing out the unwanted category, which I have now deleted. I hope that helps explain how this was occurring. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 05:05, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
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== Bot?  ==
  
== Internal Links opening in a new tab/page  ==
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Hi Steve, A website address has changed on us. Would it be possible to have a bot replace http://www.census.gov/geo/www/maps/stco_wall_2003/stco_wallmap.htm with http://www.census.gov/geo/maps-data/maps/county_wall.html&nbsp;? Thanks for your consideration, [[User:Murphynw|Murphynw]] 19:20, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
  
Hi Steve, I'd like to revisit the idea of all internal links on FamilySearch open in a new tab or page. You mentioned last summer that it could be done for all links on the wiki through engineering. Is it a hard fix? In your opinion, what are the chances of them doing it if we asked? Unfortunately, I have a meeting every week at 2pm so I can't go to the tech meeting to ask. [[User:Batsondl|Batsondl]] 23:11, 7 February 2013 (UTC)  
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:Hi Nathan, I have actioned [[Special:ReplaceText]] to replace the URL as given above. I notice that these were all in the [[File namespace]]. I used the [[Special:LinkSearch]] and the results suggest that I have changed them all. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 15:12, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
  
:I know there is a setting to change the behaviour of external link (see MediaWiki [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgExternalLinkTarget Manual:$wgExternalLinkTarget]). Do you mean external links? Or do you want a new window opened whenever a user goes to a different page in the wiki. I'm not sure, as a user if I would find that useful. In fact I'm certain I would find it annoying. I can't think of any website that automatically opens a new window when a link is followed. It is rare nowadays for this to happen for "external link" although I do remember when it was in vogue to do so. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 14:16, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
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::Excellent. Yes, they should have all been in the [[File namespace]]. Thanks Steve! [[User:Murphynw|Murphynw]] 21:59, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
  
Oh, no not just a wiki page. No I meant when they click on a database or digital book on FamilySearch. Sorry about the confusion. We are doing some user testing and when they click on a FS database it doesn't open a new page and then they lose their place and can't find the wiki page they were on to see other sources, databases or instruction. I've always hated that myself. Is there a way to just open those and not all wiki pages? Maybe in the templates we use? [[User:Batsondl|Batsondl]] 16:21, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
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== Making the width of the Digital Collections templates equal to the width of the infobox templates ==
  
:OK, so are you talking about the links for example, in the header of articles about record collections, that follow the text ''Access the records:''. Eg [[England Births and Christenings (FamilySearch Historical Records)]]? Are you also talking about links to books, films in the FHLC? --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 14:17, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, Steve. On nearly every US county page, the Digital Collection banner is above the infobox template, yet they do not exactly line up with each other. See [[Crane County, Texas]] for example. Any way to fix the width of those banners? In the ones we were playing with, the instuction      | info-w = 500px    had NO effect, even changing it to 600 px. [[User:AdkinsWH|AdkinsWH]] 21:09, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
  
Changing the Historical Records pages would be awesome but Dorothy might not agree to that. I haven't talked to her. Yes, it's those in our locality article pages that link off to the databases, books, films in the FHLC. I was thinking maybe the templates we use for them would be changed. Although I'd love for it permanently to change all of them (which in turn would change Dorothy's HR pages) but I don't see engineering getting a chance to do it anytime soon. But the truth is, I've never asked. Can changing the templates work? I'm thinking of the FSbook, FHL, and RecordSearch templates. [[User:Batsondl|Batsondl]] 17:31, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
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== Thank you ==
  
:Hi Danielle, can you try the links you were interested in again. We raised this issue in the [[Tech Meeting]] and we believe it has now been fixed. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 21:17, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
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Steve, I completely missed that you added the silver star to my page last month. Thank you so much! I have really enjoyed working on the wiki and will miss it a lot. And many thanks to you for everything you have given to the program over the last few years. You are one of our stalwarts and deserve a silver star yourself. In fact, I'm going to go give you one now.&nbsp;:) I'm glad to know that although we as staff members might come and go, there are people like you who are always willing to give. Thank you. -- [[User:VasquezJL|janellv]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:VasquezJL|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/VasquezJL|contribs]]}} 18:35, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
  
== User Canada and User Canadian templates reply ==
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== Old/Unused Page and Category ==
  
''reply to [[User talk:Saskgenweb#Hello_and_Thank_you]]''
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We on the Wiki Support Team have been reviewing categories and their pages in an effort to streamline the categories. In regards to the template page {{tl|Okina}} , we were wondering if this page and it's category, [[:Category:MSIE font fix templates]] continue to be needed. [[User:Parrisl|Parrisl]] 03:15, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
  
Hi there
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:Hi LaVera, it looks like that template is not currently being used in any content pages of the wiki, however I think the need for it could reoccur, so I have added a documentation subpage that explains why the template has been created. Hope that helps. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 21:26, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
  
Thank you most kindly. I looked at some already started, and they seemed to go back and forth betwixt ancestry and residnce templates.&nbsp; I like your idea a lot! I am just new here, good find on the flag, I missed it in my first peek around and about for some reason.
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== Digital Collections Button ==
  
Kind Regards [[User:Saskgenweb|Saskgenweb]] 00:54, 27 February 2013 (UTC)  
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I was working on Davidson County, Tennessee on the DC button - have changed from the "keyboard" to a treble clef and clock - and it has changed all other states - of which I had NO intention of doing.  Not sure what to do to get the keyboard back into other states. [[User:Wyzer17|joy]] 21:14, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
  
:You're welcome. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 13:50, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
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:Hi Joy, it appears that you edited the {{tl|DC button}}, which is the underlying template used on many of the individual state versions. The template that you should have edited for Tennessee is {{tl|TNDC}}. I have copied the code you worked on for Tennessee to this template. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 21:59, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
  
== FHL template for an author search  ==
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Hi, again, Steve. Any progress on this? I'd like to search for authors like "Salt Lake City 4th Ward Utah." I think we don't have to include the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." that precedes it. Thanks again. AdkinsWH 18:50, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
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:Hi Wilma, apologies for taking my time to get around to develop this for you. I think I have amended the {{tl|FHL}} template so that a parameter can be specified to search for a "corporate name" For example {{tlx|FHL|Salt Lake City 4th Ward Utah|corporate}} produces {{FHL|Salt Lake City 4th Ward Utah|corporate}}. You can change the link/displayed text by using the {{xt|disp}} parameter. Let me know if this produces the results you were hoping for. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 22:54, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
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Steve, you moved content from this page to the user talk page, but now we can't get this off the pages to be patrolled. I tried to restore it to do that, but no luck. Could you fix it so that we can mark it patrolled and then get rid of it? [https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/index.php?title=DeLuca&redirect=no&rcid=1255324 DeLuca] Thanks! [[User:Averyld|averyld]] 22:34, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
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:Hi Lynda, I have marked this page as patrolled. I'm not sure why you wouldn't have been able to do it. Please let me know if it's still an issue. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 20:13, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
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Steve, I have this interesting problem and David Dilts could not help me. He said that for whatever reason, the template cannot handle single brackets. Here is the page: https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Czech_Republic_Getting_Started Down at the bottom are two tips. Tip: Join a Community of Czech researchers! Ask questions, help others, and share your research success on [Facebook] and/or Skype. Tip: For more learning see the tutorials at FamilySearch Learning Center on [Czech Republic Archives]. We cannot get rid of the brackets. These are external links and every time we do single bracket the text disappears. Can you please help me? Thank you. [[User:Pysnaks|Pysnaks]] 22:12, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
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:Hi Sylvie, I have fixed the links in the {{tl|tip}} templates you directed me to on the page [[Czech Republic Getting Started]]. I have also added an example to the template description page to show how this was/can be achieved. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 06:58, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
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Thank you very much, Steve. I really appreciate your quick response.[[User:Pysnaks|Pysnaks]] 15:00, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, Steve, The catalog has changed for U.S. place name searches. It now requires United States, then the state. Do we need to go in an physically change each one where we have used the FHL template? I don't want to do any changes until I know what magic you can do with this. I don't want a situation where we have {{FHL|United States, United States, [state].... for example. [[User:AdkinsWH|AdkinsWH]] 16:50, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

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Brackets Problem

Steve, I have this interesting problem and David Dilts could not help me. He said that for whatever reason, the template cannot handle single brackets. Here is the page: https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Czech_Republic_Getting_Started Down at the bottom are two tips. Tip: Join a Community of Czech researchers! Ask questions, help others, and share your research success on [Facebook] and/or Skype. Tip: For more learning see the tutorials at FamilySearch Learning Center on [Czech Republic Archives]. We cannot get rid of the brackets. These are external links and every time we do single bracket the text disappears. Can you please help me? Thank you. Pysnaks 22:12, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sylvie, I have fixed the links in the {{tip}} templates you directed me to on the page Czech Republic Getting Started. I have also added an example to the template description page to show how this was/can be achieved. --Steve (talk| contribs) 06:58, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Steve. I really appreciate your quick response.Pysnaks 15:00, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Search and replace link

Steve, we've found a link on British pages that needs to be deleted and there are a  lot of them. We though you could do a search and replace when you have some time. Ramsgate is a good example. Under Census records, there's a link to the FHC portal that shouldn't be in the Wiki. Hostelery added this to many British pages a year or two ago. The link should only be used in the FHC's and by missionaries, etc. Even though it doesn't work to get you into Ancestry, etc. if you don't already have that access on your computer, the link shouldn't be there. If you can help, I'd greatly appreciate it. averyld 18:51, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Lynda, I have replaced the majority of all the external links to the FHC Portal to a new article Family History Center Portal. The handful remaining did not match search string wikicode and will be easier to tackle individually. I found that the link in addition to be included on many English parish pages was included in the template used to create the hundreds of FHC pages. --Steve (talk| contribs)

Steve, thanks so much! averyld 22:01, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Template Categories

Thank you so much for the tip about how to deal with these with noinlcude. I did notice the problem but had not gone to our best source, you, to get help. Thanks so much will go back to as many as I can to correct. Sandralpond 20:51, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sandra, I have changed some myself as it was causing some issues with pages, {{Infobox/row}}, {{Infobox US State}} and {{Infobox country}} being the main ones. For some it will not cause display issues, only add a template category to the page that is not needed. --Steve (talk| contribs) 20:54, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you I am learning a lot from this. Another question. Is the following really a template or just a holding page for a future template. When I try to put the noinclude it will not stay and if it put the {{ on it is red. Think I will need to remove these categories. Thanks so much. Sandralpond 14:20, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sandra, it's not clear to me what your question is. You ask " Is the following really a template or just a holding page for a future template." Would you please clarify or link to the object/page in question. Thanks. --Steve (talk| contribs) 16:09, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorry forgot to put in the link: Template:LondonStDunstanEastChurch There are many many of this type pages but they don't appear to me to be real templates. Sandralpond 18:46, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

HI Sandra, they are templates but created for a specific purpose. They are used as a workaround to the problem of the rich text editor removes captions from images. The category that has been created for them is Category:Ampersand avoidance templates. --Steve (talk|

contribs) 12:59, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Great, thanks so much. Will use it for them. Sandralpond 13:17, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello Steve, We just removed a strange topic on the Baden page sidebar but were told later that you probably should have done that.  If so, It was for Merchant Marine and Heraldic visitations.  Has the removal affected others.  In the past it hasn't but perhaps this changed.

Sonja

FHL template place link not working

Hi, Steve, I've tried a link using the FHL Template for a place search: county items. What have I done wrong? I get an "Oops" AdkinsWH 21:44, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

I think this is a bigger issue than you first thought. It looks to me as if the format of URL for FHLC searches has changed, and that the {{FHL}} template need a overhaul so that the links in the wiki using this template will work. In short it's not something you have done, but changes made by the FamilySearch engineers. --Steve (talk| contribs) 20:47, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Not good news. So does the FHL template need updating? Or is it fixable by us — or more accurately — you? AdkinsWH 04:13, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Steve, do you suggest I just start direct linking to place instead of the template? AdkinsWH 23:35, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Steve - you are wonderful! the place search is working again, and I understand you are working hard on some of the other searches. Can't thank you enough! AdkinsWH 21:41, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Steve, is the linking to the catalogue changed permaantly. Its been dysfunctional for a long time. I have about 100 links using the Badingham format {{FHL|England%2C+Suffolk%2C+Badingham|subject|disp=Badingham}}
It looks like its not a good idea to link to the catalog anymore. Maybe will have to wait till the Beta period ends, which appears not to be anytime soon. Donjgen 04:13, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Template help

Steve, could you take a look at the formula over at my Help_me_create_template page? You made a few adjustments while at WDYTYA conference, but I have not been able to remember what adjustment you made, and I can't get the template to work. I need help.Alan 05:47, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Idaho page I messed it up

Hi, Steve, I'm screaming for help. Somehow, I made a serious mistake on the Idaho page this afternoon (using wyzer17 username). The top of the page should have the image, the online collections banner, and probably the counties list. Then below the info box, the text should fill more space right to left. I tried undoing, but not soon enough. So I was trying and trying, but only filled up a lot do edit history.

Hope you can once again come to the rescue. I'll be at the meeting tomorrow, but then out of town until next Tuesday.

Thank you, thank you, thank you! Wilma Adkins 10:34 pm, 23 July, 2013. My iPad doesn't have tildes.

Welcoming Committee

Hi Steve,

As the new lead for the welcoming committee I wanted to get acquainted with the other members. I read your User Page and am impressed with your knowledge and experience. It is my hope that you will remain an active member of the committee. Please let me know your intention.

Sincerely,
Parrisl 21:33, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
Welcoming Committee Lead  

Bot?

Hi Steve, A website address has changed on us. Would it be possible to have a bot replace http://www.census.gov/geo/www/maps/stco_wall_2003/stco_wallmap.htm with http://www.census.gov/geo/maps-data/maps/county_wall.html&nbsp;? Thanks for your consideration, Murphynw 19:20, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Nathan, I have actioned Special:ReplaceText to replace the URL as given above. I notice that these were all in the File namespace. I used the Special:LinkSearch and the results suggest that I have changed them all. --Steve (talk| contribs) 15:12, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Excellent. Yes, they should have all been in the File namespace. Thanks Steve! Murphynw 21:59, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Making the width of the Digital Collections templates equal to the width of the infobox templates

Hi, Steve. On nearly every US county page, the Digital Collection banner is above the infobox template, yet they do not exactly line up with each other. See Crane County, Texas for example. Any way to fix the width of those banners? In the ones we were playing with, the instuction | info-w = 500px had NO effect, even changing it to 600 px. AdkinsWH 21:09, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Steve, I completely missed that you added the silver star to my page last month. Thank you so much! I have really enjoyed working on the wiki and will miss it a lot. And many thanks to you for everything you have given to the program over the last few years. You are one of our stalwarts and deserve a silver star yourself. In fact, I'm going to go give you one now. :) I'm glad to know that although we as staff members might come and go, there are people like you who are always willing to give. Thank you. -- janellv (talk| contribs) 18:35, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Old/Unused Page and Category

We on the Wiki Support Team have been reviewing categories and their pages in an effort to streamline the categories. In regards to the template page {{Okina}} , we were wondering if this page and it's category, Category:MSIE font fix templates continue to be needed. Parrisl 03:15, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi LaVera, it looks like that template is not currently being used in any content pages of the wiki, however I think the need for it could reoccur, so I have added a documentation subpage that explains why the template has been created. Hope that helps. --Steve (talk| contribs) 21:26, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Digital Collections Button

Steve, I was working on Davidson County, Tennessee on the DC button - have changed from the "keyboard" to a treble clef and clock - and it has changed all other states - of which I had NO intention of doing. Not sure what to do to get the keyboard back into other states. joy 21:14, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Joy, it appears that you edited the {{DC button}}, which is the underlying template used on many of the individual state versions. The template that you should have edited for Tennessee is {{TNDC}}. I have copied the code you worked on for Tennessee to this template. --Steve (talk| contribs) 21:59, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

FHL template

Hi, Steve, The catalog has changed for U.S. place name searches. It now requires United States, then the state. Do we need to go in an physically change each one where we have used the FHL template? I don't want to do any changes until I know what magic you can do with this. I don't want a situation where we have {{FHL|United States, United States, [state].... for example. AdkinsWH 16:50, 19 December 2013 (UTC)