Talk:Adams County, Illinois Courthouse

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Word order of page title

In my opinion this page and others like it should be named in the format Adams County Courthouse, Illinois. --Steve 07:30, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

The namespace have been decided in Thursday meeting and you were not there. The decision was already influenced by another page plus SEO. Dsammy 16:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
You are right I was not at the meeting on Thursday. I had another commitment that prevented me from joining in. I would be interested to know if the meeting was recorded. Were a number of options for word order discussed? I would be interested to understand the reasoning behind this option. Can you provide a link to the other page you referred too? Why would Adams County Courthouse, Illinois be less effective in SEO terms? Has/will the decision be documented in the wiki? The current guideline can be found in FamilySearch Wiki:Naming conventions. If this were to be followed the page should be named Courthouse of Adams County, Illinois. I do not think this would work well either, but would prefer it over the current word order. --Steve 17:41, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Some optins were mentioned and it was decided by consensus on this namespacing format to keep in uniform with other namespaced urls (Cemeteries, Biography, Military, and others already using this same format). When you type in search box, it's the uniformity. Look at Charleston County, South Carolina. That is the uniformity and it is reflected in SEO already. Dsammy 18:26, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Since the name of the courthouse isn't "Adams County, Illinois Courthouse," I can see your point, Steve. But I see broader issues with the naming. What about the building that houses the Clerk of Circuit Court of Cook County (Illinois), which is called the "Richard J. Daley Center"? (I guess pages can be created with redirects in those situations, but...) What about counties that have multiple court houses? (e.g., Franklin County, Kentucky has a Supreme Court, District Court, Fiscal Court, Court of Appeals, Circuit Court, Family Court...) Do those counties get multiple courthouse pages? Or is the point to consolidate all the court-related information into a single page (and if so, what is it named)? But this begs a final Style Guide clarification because it does impact other location-specific pages. ("Courts of Franklin County, Kentucky" or "Franklin County Courthouse, Kentucky" or "Franklin County, Kentucky Courthouse" or ???) My reading of the current Naming Conventions is that the title should actually be "Court Records of Franklin County, Kentucky." (It's about the records, not the building, right?) Lise 00:37, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I don't see broader issue. You have to think about the MINDSET of the many - Courthouse, that is it, regardless whether there are any actual courts in there or not - no matter what. And please do NOT stretch the url longer than it already is. The MINDSET is not going to look for specific courts, they look for courthouse because that is whopping majority of the 3,300 plus counties have them, hence the mindset is already established. If you are going to be very specific, might as well set up pages for courts that were held in homes, in taverns, in hotels, in old days. Keep it simple. Dsammy 05:54, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
The way I look at it is that Illinois is needed to disambiguate this article from say Adams County Courthouse in Ohio or the Adams County Courthouse in Indiana. The way Wikipedia deals with this is to added the disambiguation term in brackets, see Adams County Courthouse. We could do it that we in the Research Wiki but I would favour using a comma as these terms are place names. When creating links with wikitext parts of a page name after a comma or in brackets can be easily hidden by using a piped link. This is a function of the MediaWiki software. Other users who are familiar with the software would expect the naming conventions to work in harmony with this feature and not work against it. --Steve 17:32, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Mask it just fine, just don't add a loop to go through when Adams County, Illinois Courthouse|Adams County Courthouse will link straight through without having to add disambig. Dsammy 18:34, 11 July 2011 (UTC)