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Extinct or Renamed Counties of Arizona

There are seven articles for counties listed in the "Extinct or Renamed Counties" of Arizona - Bernalillo, Dona Ana, Rio Arriba, Santa Ana, Socorro, Taos, and Valencia. These seven articles are your creation, and you have continued to support them by making changes. Perhaps you feel a closeness to them. I particularly like the maps you added.

But I have a disagreement with these seven articles. They are listed in Arizona, indicating that they were counties of Arizona. The titles of these seven articles very clearly state that they were counties of Arizona. But actually, all of these seven were counties of New Mexico. They covered land which later was in Arizona and Nevada, but any records created were sent to their respective New Mexico county offices.

When Arizona became a territory, all seven of these counties were discontinued in Arizona and completely replaced. None of these seven counties were ever Arizona counties. Leaving them in is not helpful to those new to genealogy. For me, the purpose of the Family Search Wiki is to identify the location where records may be found, so that those who don't know may be led to the right location. I don't believe these seven articles help to do this.

The information in the body of these seven articles is good information, but that information belongs in the New Mexico county articles. I propose to transfer that information, then remove these seven counties from the Extinct and Renamed Counties of Arizona and delete them. But I don’t want to proceed with this, without giving you a chance to explain your side of things. I am not perfect and maybe I have overlooked something. I would like for this to be done by agreement. Please let me know.

There are three other counties listed in the Extinct and Renamed Counties of Arizona - Castle Dome, Ewell, and Mesilla. I know you have made changes to these and maybe have a closeness for them as well. But none of these three were ever counties of Arizona, they were only “proposed counties” that were rejected. No records were ever created for these counties. Leaving them in is not helpful to those new to genealogy. I propose to remove these three counties from the Extinct and Renamed Counties of Arizona and delete them.

Neither of the above proposals have yet been done. I would appreciate understanding your acceptance or opposition and why. I would like to work with you on making the Arizona article better. For me the reason for doing all this is to make things clear and helpful for those just starting out in genealogy. Thanks Sabwoo 05:28, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for waiting to get my point of view. The real question here is NOT whether a county was ever part of Arizona, nor is it a question of whether a county ever existed. Think more like a genealogical researcher (or pre-Arizona recorder of deeds), and less like a dictionary writer. The real question is how might a reader possibly look up such counties, and in which repositories might they find their ancestors? Or, another possible way of looking at the question would be to ask if there is a deed or other official paper with a supposedly purely New Mexico county mentioned on it even though the ancestor actually lived in what later became Arizona. If so, would not the logical place to look for such a deed be in the county seat of the said NM county? Moreover, a certain fort was a few hundred meters into modern Arizona, but was briefly a New Mexico county's seat. We need to teach readers that boundaries change, borders can get confusing, and that smart genealogists sometimes need to hunt for records outside of modern boundaries. We need to teach readers that sometimes their ancestors records are outside of Arizona, especially if their ancestor lived in AZ prior to the time Arizona was created. Although it is not likely someone living on the Arizona strip ever conducted business in Taos, New Mexico, it is possible, and listing Taos as a former county in what eventually became Arizona is a way of alerting readers to the possibilities. I would strongly resist any effort to de-list pre-Arizona counties because it would hide potential places to look for an ancestor's records. Look for the maximum number of ways to inform readers about potential genealogical records. For new genealogists clinging to legal definitions of modern boundaries is not informative about where to look for records created BEFORE those boundaries were drawn.
If you cannot abide "Extinct" counties, feel welcome to find a more appropriate label for the group. But the solution is NOT to delete references to counties that might be listed on an ancestor's deed, nor to pretend New Mexico (and Mexico, and New Spain, and Spain) never had jurisdiction over what is now Arizona. Nor would it be appropriate to pretend researchers for ancestors living in Las Vegas should never ever look in Arizona repositories for pre-Nevada Las Vegas sources.
The most unchanged state I can think of is Delaware. Since 1776 her three counties have never changed. Yet Delaware was part of Pennsylvania, Maryland, The Dominion of New England, New Netherland, and New Sweden--so good researchers need to know to look in the appropriate repositories in Philadelphia, Annapolis, Boston, Amsterdam, and Stockholm to find all the records of their early colonial Delaware ancestors. EVERY place has changing jurisdictions and we need to inform our readers about that. So I absolutely oppose deleting references to extinct counties.
Make a better offer than deleting/hiding pages to which I am "close." I'm willing to listen and consider if you can come up with a better way to inform readers about changing jurisdictions, but until then, please NO deletion requests, and no de-listings of extinct counties pages. I cannot see how your proposal will possibly alert new genealogists about jurisdiction changes and the need to search possible alternative repositories for early Arizona ancestors. To my way of thinking it would seriously hold-back new genealogists rather than helping them.  DiltsGD 14:01, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Unclickable Virginia links

When you have a second, could you help me figure out why I can't click on the county or topic pages on this page: I'm guessing it's a div problem

Thanks! Murphynw 18:28, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Move sandbox from main space to user space

All sandboxes are being moved from main space to user space because of search problems. User:DiltsGD/Sandbox 101, User:DiltsGD/Sandbox 102, User:DiltsGD/Sandbox E, and User:DiltsGD/Sandbox 76 have been renamed and moved. Sandralpond 16:05, 4 February 2012 (UTC)\

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Ldrew 20:04, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

David, do you still want the NY pages deleted?  They link to several others.  Example:NY State Archives and New York State Library
Lynda 14:58, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

No, no! Sorry, this is a misunderstanding. I deleted the old template on one primary page and failed to realize the template was still connected to other pages. Give me about 30 minutes and I'll have them all fixed. Then delete the templates only -- no primary pages. Thanks. DiltsGD 15:25, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I'll take the delete template off the pages.Lynda 16:53, 26 March 2012 (UTC) - Actually, will wait and then do the templates per your instructions above.Lynda 16:58, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

David, Is this page still necessary for the Pacific Island collection, since the IGI is in now? Find Ancestors on the IGI

Pacific Island Guide Step 8:

Thank you for the article titled Pacific Island Guide to Family History Research. In reviewing the neutrality of this article, I would like to offer suggestions to help resolve this matter. With changes already under way about access to the IGI database through the new, that the following be done:
a. an external link be placed in Step 8 directing the researcher to new family search org.
b. The researcher could also be directed to the nearest family history center for help in utilizing the IGI database.
By these two steps, Step 8 remains viable for the researcher AND this portion of the article remains within WIki article policy guidelines.
I was pleasantly surprised to find this guide while patrolling familysearch wiki as part of my wiki support assignment. I can trace my Polynesian ancestry through Tonga, Fiji, Samoa, Tahiti, and Hawaii in the South Pacific. The use of the IGI in my research was to assure that ancestors had been identified for LDS ordinance work. That was the extent of it. The IGI was not a 'connection' research tool - I used anthropology, missionary/traders records, and the nobility-village records [oral and written]to rebuild my polynesian ancestry. Thank you for sharing your expertise on the Pacific Islands.
Would you consider the above a and b suggestions as a solution to the neutrality template? I look forward to hearing from you. We worked together almost a decade ago on UGA projects and look forward to finding a way to make Step 8 'work' for other researchers.
Malo aupito/ mahalo nui/ kapi / Thank you - CIrwin Caroline Wolfgramm Irwin 16:17, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Pacific Island Guide Step 10:

Hello - in patrolling the wiki the "content" template brought this article [Step 10] to my attention. May I suggest that the 1st sentence of the 2nd paragraph be removed and the rest of the sentences remain as is. It points researchers interested in IGI or LDS ordinances to Mormon Genealogy article and restores the neutrality requested in the article. I personally appreciate this guide, however, the step 10 revision as suggested would provide a better overview and direction to future wiki researchers. As a descendant of Tongan, Samoan, Fijian, Tahitian, and Hawaiian ancestry, I turn to other sources for ancestral information intially rather than the IGI ... even when I lived in Utah. Please consider the recommendation within this 'talk'. Thanks.CIrwin

How do I put the attribution in the copyright square?


Thank for all you do to Fix my documentation.  I am learing from your changes.  However, I have no idea how to put a name of attribution in the "permission"- "copyright square".  Would love to be taught that skill.

Thank you and have an awesome week!


On the {{Self}}, {{Self2}}, and all Creative Commons licenses you can add the attribution statement by adding either author= or attribution= whichever is more appropriate. Each one is used for a different purpose and causes slightly different things to happen in the license templates. See the respective license template documentation pages for details. If the original license has a formal attribution statement, we MUST replicate that statement as exactly as possible. If the original license does not have a formal attribution, I add an "author=" to the Self and Self2 templates in order to show the author, and that automatically adds the attribution within the Creative Commons licenses. It is possible to have slightly different author and attribution statements. DiltsGD 14:39, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Ohio Network of America

David, you put a delete template on this page, Ohio Network of American History Research Centers, but there are many pages linked to this page.  If it needs to be deleted, I'd ask that the creator, or you, clean out all those links.  If you don' thave time, let me know, but this will take some time.averyld 14:40, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Maryanne Taylor (the page's creator) was in my cubicle when we made this deletion request together. I will clean out the links shortly. Thanks for that reminder. DiltsGD 15:16, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

David it was a template on all but two pages all cleaned up and deleted.Sandralpond 22:56, 26 October 2012 (UTC)